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worth pointing out that part of that is because they've used the blue shade to hide where it connects to the chassis. if you ignore that it's not really much different to the gp2 one.
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true true...encouraging though to see that a splash of colour can soften the look if it.
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IndyCar tested the Shield or aeroscreen, as they call it, at Phoenix on Thursday and it was in marked contrast to Vettel's three or so laps round Silverstone last year. F1 and the FIA really didn't attempt to test it properly, which they should have, considering the importance of driver safety.
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good to see that he suggests that there were no problems with the 'optics' (which i assume means visibility/blurriness issues). stark contrast to the problems Vettel reported with the quickly abandoned Ferrari solution.
interesting about the reduced airflow and increased heat in the cockpit and need for better ventilation...cant say i have heard that issue raised before...but thats what real world test are all about. |
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This is because they gave it a proper test, rather than ‘3 laps around Silverstone’
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i think they probably could have done with more than one drivers opinion on the shield in the first place.
makes me wonder who owns the companies responsible for making the halos. aren’t there only a few able/permitted to produce them? eta: video from in-car during the screen test. see for yourself.... http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/14...test-visor-cam Last edited by bella; 9 Feb 2018 at 17:02. |
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Looks OK with a clean screen, but I wonder how it will be affected by oil, insects and dirt during a race? I can’t see how driver removed tear-offs could be utilised, they could only be removed in pit stops.
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to be fair there's normally a bit more time in an endurance pitstop to deal with a windscreen tear-off, but i'm sure they'd figure out an incredibly quick way of removing them from the screen on a single seater.
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The FIA probably has shares in the company responsible for making the Halo.
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Hey look, windscreens work! Who'd have thought?
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Looking at the Ferrari screen in comparison to the Indycar one, I can't find exact camera angle matches but the main frontal vision on the Indycar appears to be through a much flatter (less bevelled) screen.
I would guess that it's the bevel in the F1 screen that would have cause vision distortion issues for Vettel. |
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Formula 1 the Halo MB etc
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It's almost like they wanted the shield to fail.
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It's not called an 'Aeroscreen'. IndyCar used a much more fancier name for it. They called it a 'Windscreen'.
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I am not going to quote all your points, but generally agree with your arguments, but feel they don’t support your position. In fact, I think they just reinforce how they probably wouldn’t be a problem. And yes, they would all be in the same boat in that they all would have to deal with the issue. Of course individual situations will impact drivers differently.
If someone feels it’s not dirty enough to be torn off, then leave it alone. It’s not like you have to pull one off at a stop. Anyone who leaves an overly dirty one on just to save a tiny amount of time in the pit (but is then slower on track due to poor visibility) is foolish. Some drivers stuck in tight battles in which they follow others closely may have more problems than someone leading or running alone. It’s no different than a myriad of other things that factor into how an individual drivers race progresses. Richard |
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I would expect Halo and 'windscreen' to evolve - what is seen in 2018 is unlikely to be the same in 2019
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IndyCar windscreen test, from the drivers point of view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAN59VLV_Ww Watching that video makes me feel dizzy knowing that Ferrari rejected the shield after a single lap and no other team got to test it. |
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What is apparent from the outside shots is that the "visor cam" what not in line with the driver's eyes. Dixon was seated well below the top of the windscreen, but the view from the camera was interrupted by the top of the windscreen.
So, what the YouTube demonstrates is not a true visual of the impact of the windscreen. And the FIA should have used some of those millions of dollars that they received from the sale of FOM to properly evaluate all avenues for stopping the ingress of FOD into the cockpits of cars. They should have never allowed the teams to dictate and test their own handy work. Yet another case of the team's tail wagging the FIA dog! |
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