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18 Sep 2019, 20:22 (Ref:3928750) | #101 | |
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After a bit of time to reflect, I've come to sympathise a little with Race Control - I feel they used the Safety Car to stop Jamie and co flying around the rest of the track to beat Scotty and the rest out of the pits.
So it was essentially used for safety, which is hard to argue against. Yes, it affected the race result, but looking at Jamie's sector times after he passed the SC shows drivers are still pushing and with no real way to punish that behavior, Race Control used the SC in rather an unorthodox, but SAFE manner (to begin with anyway). |
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19 Sep 2019, 04:07 (Ref:3928789) | #104 | |
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https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/19...ce-suspension/
Over reaction from CAMS, or justified? Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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19 Sep 2019, 04:23 (Ref:3928792) | #105 | ||
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19 Sep 2019, 04:43 (Ref:3928795) | #107 | ||
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19 Sep 2019, 06:03 (Ref:3928804) | #108 | ||
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I can see this being sorted out in the courts
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19 Sep 2019, 06:06 (Ref:3928805) | #109 | ||
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A lot of 'coulds' and mights' in that article. He'll be at Bathurst, even if suspended 888 will launch an appeal so it any suspension will be delayed anyway.
He already apologised the next day which will help his cause. CAMS is just posturing and looking forward to a better funded Xmas party.. |
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19 Sep 2019, 06:37 (Ref:3928812) | #110 | |
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That's all I see. At best a 4 figure fine and public apology. At worst, a fine, a few championship points and perhaps the CAMS equivalent of community service....
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19 Sep 2019, 07:04 (Ref:3928813) | #111 | ||
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Maybe if Mr Whincup buys an F4... oh wait...
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19 Sep 2019, 08:01 (Ref:3928819) | #112 | ||
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They are as bad as AFL umpires. Think their **** don't stink and can't admit any fault.
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19 Sep 2019, 08:50 (Ref:3928830) | #113 | ||
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Could you imagine the ramifications of any fault admitting by any sports body Mixer? How many cashed up sports teams would take up a legal fight against the governing body on all sorts of situations to seek everything from result reversing to compensation. And that then opens up a never ending can of worms for the betting community. It's not right but I understand why it happens.
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Bad enough they break all applicable laws about apps and promotion of gambling but we have to see betting odds seamlessly dovetailed into sports broadcasting by "advertisements". The Government needs to grow some balls and ban the lot like they did ciggies. |
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19 Sep 2019, 12:16 (Ref:3928868) | #115 | ||
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I haven't seen the race yet, we get it here a week or so late, so forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.
The position seems to be that Jamie wasn't leading at the point the SC boards and flags went out. However, everyone in front of him pitted (is that correct?) thus he was the first car to cross the line on the track? If that is the case I'm struggling to understand what RC is supposed to have done wrong? All of this is a symptom of SC being introduce by FIA in a way which is deliberately different from the American way of doing things, which was in any case originally intended for ovals. If we simply adopted their method: When the SC boards (double stationary yellow in US, much better for the marshals) are shown, all drivers immediately slow to a safe pace [they don't] Pit lane entry is closed at the point the flag comes out, drivers may only stop for force majeure (damage/imminently due to run out of fuel). [it doesn't] Once cars are at a safe place, the SC is released onto track as the leader approaches [it doesn't] The problems with SC at most events is due to the [bits in square brackets] because FIA doesn't do it right. However FCY/VSC as introduced by WEC and latterly F1 is highly effective, safer for the marshals and largely avoids all of these problems. |
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19 Sep 2019, 13:54 (Ref:3928897) | #116 | ||
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Roland Dane gives a very accurate assessment of what happened on the Enforcer and the Dude.
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19 Sep 2019, 18:28 (Ref:3928938) | #117 | |
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19 Sep 2019, 22:27 (Ref:3928985) | #118 | ||
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Very much will be the case... and unfortunately i don't think CAMS would win.
They hang this axe over your head that they'll randomly breath test officials at a race weekend. And whilst I have seen events where every driver gets checked, maybe the same should be applied to every official at sign on or upon entry. Only remember 2 occasions seening officials get tested and both happened at Phillip Island. That way the few that do (been an official, so i know that Saturday night you might have an extra one or two), they can weed out those that may have pushed the limit or still under the influence in some way. |
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19 Sep 2019, 22:41 (Ref:3928987) | #119 | |
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Imagine breath testing pit lane Sunday morning... Some teams would end up severely understaffed...
The whole circus really needs to up the professionalism to be honest. |
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20 Sep 2019, 07:58 (Ref:3929030) | #121 | |
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I saw that too. Thank goodness we can all move on from this messy incident
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If there wasn't a SC it would have been close as to who came out in front. If the SC had been held until it could pick up the leader, the SC-inspired much longer fuel fills the early pitters (JW, LH etc) would have jumped them as JW did, but have a longer pit stop to come later in the race. I don't think it is unfair to say that race control should have been aware of the impact they were having on the race with their timing of the SC release, given there was no imminent danger at hand. In an urgent scenario of course that is not a consideration, but there really wasn't any urgency here. |
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