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18 May 2017, 09:54 (Ref:3734225) | #101 | |
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You can't turn a profit on something that doesn't make you any money.
From a financial perspective, the series has stagnated. The value in advertising space has fallen, patronage at the track is a lower number on average. They perhaps aren't able to leverage off of the current TV deal either. Alarm bells went off a couple of years ago, when they started stripping all the expenses out of the championship; tyre restrictions, 2-day events, slimming down the staff count. Then they started a large push well after one season had started, to secure individual event sponsors (Below market rate, most likely), to try and claw the money back. Did SEL flog it off before it started to tank? Isn't that how big business works? |
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The debate I've been engaged in now is getting repetitive as I feel I'm just saying the same things over and over so I'll wait for more official bids to be replaced. I have taken your opinions on note and there is some truth within them. On another note I would support an SEL takeover they would be great for the series.
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Now we have less cars, only NZ left as an overseas event at the moment, no more major Sydney event, a big TV deal going in its favour but it delivers less FTA content Quote:
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1. We only have 2 less entrants which is no significant change and the category is much more competitive across the 26 entries now. 2. Is true but but likely change in due time seemingly through a Sepang deal perhaps 3. The Foxtel deal has been brilliant and I just realised I've been misquoting the figure it's actually $241 million with $196 million in cash and the fta deal was really not "big buck" and there offer would've been detrimental for the category at the prices they were offering. This has also been a revelation for support categories whom now are receiving all live coverage compared to the disaster it was before. Lastly there's plenty of other cheaper options for non fta viewers to watch the platform 4. Sydney was never really going to work in the long term , Newcastle has proven it is a much more sustainable home for Supercars the community event with around 10,000 attendees proved this |
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Not sure what you mean about a disaster for support categories either, they were getting live coverage on Channel 7 from 2007-2014 too. The current TV deal is only brilliant if you are one of the 28% of Australian households that have Foxtel. For the 72% of Australian households without it, the current TV deal is a shocker compared to the 2013-14 TV deal. It's all about perspective Quote:
How has Newcastle proved it is a much more sustainable home for Supercars, they haven't even held an event yet! The same stuff was said before Homebush started Last edited by one five five; 18 May 2017 at 12:50. |
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Also, in 2011 VASC was looking at a sudden growth in involved manufacturers - which was tangible growth. Now, it's looking like a potential two manufacturer series with the models that have made the V8 Legend fast fading into a distant memory. And with it, goes a bulk of Australian race engineering and fabrication talent. |
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18 May 2017, 22:06 (Ref:3734353) | #110 | |
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Perhaps the Australian Tax Office will look at buying into the series, by what was shown on TV last night they have been financing fast cars and some lower divisions of Motorsport for sometime!
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10,000? Really? Who counted them? Newcastle will work. For the first year. And the second. Homebush did as well. The trick is to make it work from year 3 on. It will hinge on ticket prices and viewing points. Supercars have mixed results in these areas. |
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According to a former (and not too former) NSW tourism and events minister I had the luck to talk to recently about this, at the one Homebush race he attended it appeared that Tony Cochrane counted all 10,000+ crowd members himself, possibly with his fingers.
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Its a rare skill to look outside a corporate box and tell exactly how many people have attended an event. Only the greats can do it, the NRL Roosters and AFL Giants also have this remarkable ability.
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19 May 2017, 01:14 (Ref:3734370) | #114 | |
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and there is me just thinking they do it the same as everyone else. Tickets issued. Oh wait, that's exactly what they do. (But the typical conspiracy theorist have made up some otehr ideas they cant prove)
Anyway, it clear that a loss may be made by Archer based on the numbers given if they end up selling. Does this just mean they overpaid though. The price they paid was a masssive increase on what the original purchase price was ($52,000 for 25% (or $208,000)) |
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Can I submit a business plan to Infrastructure Australia, surely they would give me $50 mill to keep the show running.
infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/ Infrastructure Australia is an independent statutory body with a mandate to prioritise and progress nationally significant infrastructure. I believe this would meet the the core requirements , plus a quickly knocked up feasibility study, **** any State Govt can up with a White Paper , I say a blue paper to push the cause of motosport at taxpayers expense, just like, CA(Cricket Australia), NRL, AFL, A Leauge, oops, almost forgot, the entertainment centers in each City. Or we could convert it to a religion, tax free , pay homepage once a fortnight , happy days If Townsville can get a footy stadium, why cant we get a race track? Last edited by fomoco; 19 May 2017 at 11:11. Reason: late news |
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Lots of people will likely go to the Newcastle event, but it is not a great look for supposedly the third biggest Australian sport to be having its grand final 2hrs away in a regional area. No other major Australian sport does this. |
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The fact that Newcastle is a regional area was the deciding factor on NSW Events supporting the race.
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just some Sydney snobs debating against you. They think the world revolves around them, even though there is not one Supercars team based in Sydney. The last round should be where the crowds attend, and Sydney continues to be not that place |
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Supercars claims to be #3 in Australian sport afterall. |
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Supercars dont have a grand final Newcastle is a major city. Guess you must be from Sydney. however name another sport that has every event at a different venue. there are none, its the nature of the sport. you are comparing sports that play nearly all there events in capital cities to a sport which has most of its events outside major cities Not sure why being number 3 has to do with it at all. Newcastle will increase their numbers But for the record formula 1 have there final race in one of the smaller cities on the calendar, . As does WTCC, Aust GT hold their final in the middle of no where Last edited by peckstar; 21 May 2017 at 05:31. |
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