British F3 Silly Season 2012 - Page 5

peebee2 · 10 Nov 2011, 18:10 (Ref:2984071)

Information from Dallara contact, for Dallara F312s sold so far.

British F3
Carlin 5
Fortec 3
no others sold

Euroseries F3
none sold - does anyone really think it will continue?

European F3 Open
West-Tec 3
RP Motorsport 2
Corbetta 1
Cedars 1
de Villota 2
Top F3 1

Italian F3
Series stays with old cars, although numbers were very poor in 2011

German F3
Will not allow newest cars. Numbers poor this year, trying very hard to tempt teams from Euroseries

strider · 10 Nov 2011, 20:48 (Ref:2984122)

Very interesting numbers. Thanks. I think more BF3 teams will buy new cars but only when they have signed drivers for them. Dallara don't have a stampede on their hands, do they?

Carlin might run a National Class car as well and win that, just to prove a point. That would be my advice. Sainz is flying in testing. It'll be interesting to see where Buller ends up. Not Carlin for sure.

Until the calendar was announced on Monday, everyone though they were going to the Nurburgring and some teams have been testing there, which turns out to have been a bit of a waste of time. There may yet be further calendar changes.

The decision to change the Race 2 format came from the teams, but it was not a majority decision and some didn't know about it, such is the the brilliance of communication.

Go_For_Pole · 10 Nov 2011, 20:49 (Ref:2984124)

Who would have thought that European F3 Open would have more orders in place than British F3?!

peebee2 · 10 Nov 2011, 20:59 (Ref:2984127)

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Originally Posted by strider

I think more BF3 teams will buy new cars but only when they have signed drivers for them. Dallara don't have a stampede on their hands, do they?

Drivers with £650k to spend will generally have signed up by now, even if they haven't been announced so I wouldn't be so sure strider old boy.

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Originally Posted by strider

It'll be interesting to see where Buller ends up. Not Carlin for sure.

I'd wager you that is exactly where he'll end up though not in F3!

Should have said before, don't know how many new cars have been ordered in Japan.

strider · 10 Nov 2011, 22:33 (Ref:2984154)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Drivers with £650k to spend will generally have signed up by now, even if they haven't been announced so I wouldn't be so sure strider old boy.

You know best, of course but I think next year could be an interim year. The fact that the chassis are changing then but the engines not until the following year is confusing the issue.

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Originally Posted by peebee2

I'd wager you that is exactly where he'll end up though not in F3!

This is an an F3 thread and he has tested with at least two other F3 teams. If he were going to Carlin for FRenault 3.5, why has he not been testing with them? Maybe he's going to vault straight into GP2 and get lost. Oh, hang on, they're in Abu Dhabi right now and I haven't seen his name mentioned there either. A bit more than your figure of £650K as well...

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Should have said before, don't know how many new cars have been ordered in Japan.

Not really relevant until next year's Macau.

peebee2 · 10 Nov 2011, 22:53 (Ref:2984161)

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Originally Posted by strider

This is an an F3 thread and he has tested with at least two other F3 teams. If he were going to Carlin for FRenault 3.5, why has he not been testing with them? Maybe he's going to vault straight into GP2 and get lost. Oh, hang on, they're in Abu Dhabi right now and I haven't seen his name mentioned there either. A bit more than your figure of £650K as well...

No need for your sarcasm.

As the self-appointed F3 font-of-all knowledge on here, and an obvious founder menmber of the Carlin fan club, it is a surprise you don't even know all of the series they operate in currently...

strider · 10 Nov 2011, 23:08 (Ref:2984162)

Formula Lawnmower doesn't count in my book, but he didn't do that test either.

I don't consider myself the fount (sic) of all F3 knowledge on here, but if you don't like my posts feel free to ignore them. I'm not bothered either way.

peebee2 · 21 Nov 2011, 17:36 (Ref:2989708)

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Originally Posted by strider

It'll be interesting to see where Buller ends up. Not Carlin for sure.

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Originally Posted by strider

Formula Lawnmower doesn't count in my book, but he didn't do that test either.

Have you heard who is testing GP3 with Carlin this week?

Frosty11 · 25 Nov 2011, 20:34 (Ref:2991356)

Carlin: Carlos Sainz Jnr
Fortec: Pipo Derani
Alex Lynn

Any other suggestions??

Daisy · 26 Nov 2011, 10:28 (Ref:2991523)

Hannes van Asseldonk perhaps? He drove with Hitech racing at Macau.

Valker · 26 Nov 2011, 12:14 (Ref:2991557)

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Originally Posted by Daisy

Hannes van Asseldonk perhaps? He drove with Hitech racing at Macau.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions on that. I think Stanaway and van Asseldonk where VW backed in Macau and as Van Amersfoort has only one current spec car, their number 1 driver got that one. Of other VW teams, Motopark is uncompetitive, Carlin had their seats filled with their own drivers and Signature was most likely much more expensive than Hitech.

blindfold · 26 Nov 2011, 13:35 (Ref:2991574)

[QUOTE=Valker;2991557]I wouldn't draw any conclusions on that. I think Stanaway and van Asseldonk where VW backed in Macau and as Van Amersfoort has only one current spec car, their number 1 driver got that one

I think all of that is actually false.

ptclaus98 · 27 Nov 2011, 04:40 (Ref:2991811)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Have you heard who is testing GP3 with Carlin this week?

Conor Daly and Tom Blomqvist.

Tom Blom. I like that. I'm making that a thing.

peebee2 · 27 Nov 2011, 11:19 (Ref:2991889)

Suggested for Carlin:

Sainz
Harvey
Fantin
Jaafar (or could do FR3.5 if they can resolve the Petronas/Elf clash)
Tincknell

+ 3 National Class cars

T-Sport:

Richard Goddard in National Class (finished 10th out of 10 cars that competed all year in British Formula Ford not being a great sign)

Deemun · 28 Nov 2011, 00:49 (Ref:2992239)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Suggested for Carlin:

Sainz
Harvey
Fantin
Jaafar (or could do FR3.5 if they can resolve the Petronas/Elf clash)
Tincknell

+ 3 National Class cars

T-Sport:

Richard Goddard in National Class (finished 10th out of 10 cars that competed all year in British Formula Ford not being a great sign)

Agreed. He was compltely outclassed by his team mates. The driver of the year in FF was without doubt Scott Malvern but I don't see any F3 teams rushing to sign him up. Now I wonder why that is..................

Alex K · 30 Nov 2011, 10:45 (Ref:2993423)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Jaafar (or could do FR3.5 if they can resolve the Petronas/Elf clash)

No problem. Lukoil and Cepsa were present in the series with Carlin and Epsilon, with Epsilon team did not use Elf stickers on its cars.

strider · 13 Dec 2011, 00:30 (Ref:2998987)

Carlin are running five new cars in the International Class and I honestly don't think they'll run a car in the National Class.

However, it is an option for teams that don't want or can't afford to upgrade. They can offer deals to drivers at sensible prices.

META4 · 21 Dec 2011, 12:38 (Ref:3002656)

Brazilian Pietro Fantin will be back in British F3 next season

http://grandepremio.ig.com.br/outras...+10538192.html

strider · 4 Jan 2012, 17:52 (Ref:3007236)

Felix Seralles from Puerto Rico will also be with Fortec this year.

http://www.formula3.co/news/felix-se...sh-f3-campaign

Deemun · 4 Jan 2012, 23:19 (Ref:3007444)

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Originally Posted by strider

Felix Seralles from Puerto Rico will also be with Fortec this year.

http://www.formula3.co/news/felix-se...sh-f3-campaign

He didn't exactly set the world alight in Formula Renault in 2011 & now he is stepping up to F3. Is he ready you have to ask? But then again what does that have to do with it? In his defence he is probably more ready than Richard "Spike" Goddard. It's annoying though. There are far more talented drivers out there that should be in F3 but the teams arn't talking to them because they don't have the funds.

blindfold · 5 Jan 2012, 19:21 (Ref:3007813)

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Originally Posted by Deemun

He didn't exactly set the world alight in Formula Renault in 2011 & now he is stepping up to F3. Is he ready you have to ask? But then again what does that have to do with it? In his defence he is probably more ready than Richard "Spike" Goddard. It's annoying though. There are far more talented drivers out there that should be in F3 but the teams arn't talking to them because they don't have the funds.

But given that there is an expensive new car and gearbox combo to buy this year, then who'd blame them?

But by all accounts this season might be a Carlin vs. Fortec only affair...

FFfan · 6 Jan 2012, 11:40 (Ref:3008110)

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Originally Posted by Deemun

He didn't exactly set the world alight in Formula Renault in 2011 & now he is stepping up to F3. Is he ready you have to ask? But then again what does that have to do with it? In his defence he is probably more ready than Richard "Spike" Goddard. It's annoying though. There are far more talented drivers out there that should be in F3 but the teams arn't talking to them because they don't have the funds.

I understand your frustration more than most believe me, but in fairness to Spike I think he is very well aware that he is going to have to work very hard this year and it's going to be quite a steep learning curve for him.

If he'd have stayed for a 2nd season in British Formula Ford he'd have had to learn a new car anyway with FF changing over to the ECOboost model this year so in his position he may as well move now and learn the car & championship that he hopes to become competitive in in time for 2013.

It's not that unusual. If you think back a few years Max Chilton went directly to British F3 from T-cars at 15 or 16 years old by-passing all of the junior single seater formulae.

It's just a case of cutting your cloth...........we never begrudge anyone else their opportunity. We just keep working extremely hard to try to ensure that Scott gets his chance

Dominic Malvern

Richard B · 9 Jan 2012, 20:21 (Ref:3009504)

Jack Harvey signs for another season with Carlin.
http://www.formula3.co/news/jack-s-b...tish-formula-3

Lam Pak · 10 Jan 2012, 10:01 (Ref:3009741)

sino vision is leave the championship. very bad news for british f3.

edenrace · 10 Jan 2012, 14:01 (Ref:3009839)

Expected as the team was set up and owned by Adderly Fong who is moving on to another formula. CF Racing who ran with them in 2011 will continue with F3.

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