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If the tyres were hard enough to last for two races, how would tyre management be a required skill if you get a new set of tyres for the next race? Pirelli are easily capable of making a tyre hard enough to last two race distances. They have stated this many times. We should remember that Pirelli don't need to make a quick tyre that lasts a race distance, as was the case in 2005. They only need concentrate on durability because they aren't in competition with another tyre manufacturer, and therefore they don't need to make a 'quick' tyre. How could Pirelli make a race tyre that lasts long enough for one race distance without it favouring one or two teams over the other teams? The only real way it could do that is to make a tyre that lasts for significantly more than one race distance. Consequently, the skill required to look after the tyres would not be necessary. |
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its all well and good to say tire preservation is a desirable skill set but that argument goes out the window when the rules let drivers who fail to make Q3 start on whatever compound they want to.
in fairness more of the blame lies with the rules makers rather then on Pirelli, but to be honest, how many people really place a priority on tire management when only a small handful of us think the Q3 tire rules are completely ridiculous? for me having to see top qualifiers pit after only a handful of laps early in the race is further evidence that Pirelli have gotten the balance wrong this year. not so much questioning their philosophy of the tire construction but rather am still questioning its application. change the Q3 rules, make every compound available at each event, and no rule about using a set of each on race day. |
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The tyres and all the talk that goes with them is becoming a complete bore..Yawn
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Pirelli did offer to make a tyre specifically for qualifying. The teams declined the offer. http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/motorsport/story/56469.html Agree....sort of. |
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In short: If you want Red Bull to unleash all of their performance, then Pirelli should give them what they want: A tyre that allows their car to annihilate the field. The only thing that is stopping Red Bull from doing that are the Pirelli tyres. Even when they complain about them, and they were the only team that did, they still finish a very convincing, if controversial, one-two.
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I'm so glad that the regulations, and specifically the tyre ones, are not completely favouring the team that probably has the most downforce. If they did, then we would be in for a lot of races where we see a finger being pointed at the sky.
Red Bull knew that this seasons tyres would probably be softer than last seasons tyres, and certainly before the end of last season. But now they complain that their car has so much downforce that it's wrecking the tyres. Well, if your definition of the best car is one that has the most downforce, then yes, you may have a valid claim, but F1 is not about having a car with the most downforce. |
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Today I listened to The podcast from Motorsport, if you are interested in hearing an educated opinion on the subject of tyres, and other things..
Then listen here.. http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1...-lee-mckenzie/ |
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Looks like Pirelli are going to be reviewing their current tyre compounds after Bahrain
http://www.formulaspy.com/topnews/27...tyre-compounds |
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I don't think that the Pirelli tyres are favouring any team.
It will be if Pirelli are forced to change their tyre compounds because Red Bull and a couple of other teams cars have 'too much downforce'. Oh, the irony. I don't think that's ever going to be possible. |
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The 2013 tyres are a step to far in the wrong direction..
Please listen to Mark Webber on this subject, the man is right ! |
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If you're advocating for another tyre war, the 05 Indy debacle has thwarted that idea, unless you are thinking in terms of making the tyres last for multiple race distances with a penalty for changing the tyres prematurely. If you're the sole tyre supplier, then there is no such thing as a 'race distance tyre'. If Pirelli give Red Bull what they want, don't start complaining about how much Red Bull dominate the season. That car is punishing the current tyres because it has 'too much downforce'. I think we should all be grateful for that. |
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