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27 Nov 2016, 23:47 (Ref:3691582) | #101 | ||
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Watch his C4 interview with Lee McKenzie then the comments from both DC and Mark Webber who for once actually said what they thought- that Hamilton was not gracious in defeat as demonstrated by the comments he had just made to Lee. For me it sums the guy up, no class and a sore loser. If he wants to see how to handle losing a championship at the final race he could have done worse than to look the direction of Felipe Massa, circa 2008.
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What if they told him to lose on purpose, or to hold up another competitor, or worse to crash on purpose...there are limits to blindly obeying.
This wasn't that of course, but given the situation would any driver have done differently? |
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27 Nov 2016, 23:55 (Ref:3691589) | #103 | |
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Mercedes and Nico were both naive to think Lewis would take one for the team at this crucial stage
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28 Nov 2016, 00:07 (Ref:3691595) | #104 | ||
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The dick move of the race were the calls from the Merc pits. Should have let them race with the caution no to do anything stupid. LH did what he had to (even if he said he wouldn't earlier in the week apparently) and Nico did what he had to. LH could have done a Max and weaved all over the place and been a right 'hole but instead drove measured. Nico likewise could have done a bonzai and taken the risk but drove measured as well.
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28 Nov 2016, 02:33 (Ref:3691616) | #105 | ||
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Quite the end to the season! Crafty is the right word for Hamilton's race I think, and from a viewer's point of view it certainly added a lot more interest than many races this season. I don't know who said "win at the slowest pace possible", but that certainly applied today/yesterday.
I'd have to agree with TrapeezeArtist that by the time Vettel caught Rosberg he didn't have the fresh tyres that were the key to his previous overtakes, and with loss of downforce following another car still makes straight-up overtaking too difficult. I'm torn between Hamilton being a hard racer versus a sore loser. A bit of both perhaps, on one hand why accept losing the championship until it has been lost; but on the other I didn't think there was any likelihood that his tactic would work due to he, Rosberg and Vettel being so close to their cars' ultimate speed that there was never a realistic chance to overtake. I don't think Mercedes were wrong trying to protect their 1-2 finish either. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the debrief; then again all's well that ends well and it is now the end of the season so I wonder if there will be too many recriminations. |
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28 Nov 2016, 07:36 (Ref:3691656) | #106 | |
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No real driver is going to obey team orders in the final laps of the final race with the world championship at stake. Mercedes were daft to ask him and with the WCC wrapped up and a guaranteed one, two in the drivers championship Mercedes had nothing to lose.
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28 Nov 2016, 07:41 (Ref:3691659) | #107 | |
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Mercedes have already won everything there is to win this season. I don't see what they were going to achieve other than negative press by trying to force team orders.
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28 Nov 2016, 09:01 (Ref:3691672) | #108 | |
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All they achieved was to confirm the cynics view that Mercedes wanted Nico to win it this year......
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28 Nov 2016, 09:05 (Ref:3691673) | #109 | |
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Overly zealous followers of the "Befehl ist befehl" philosophy tend to end up as the tools of history.
The fact that they kept interfering with the title fight was quite telling. Mercedes should've let them race and understand that in this race the title fight was more important. Any racer worth his salt would've done the same as Lewis. Mercedes should've known that and they should've realized that Lewis could not possibly obey. So it was in fact Mercedes forcing this situation on Lewis and themselves. In the end it was still the zillionth Mercedes one two so they should just shut it. Poor judgement by Mercedes for not letting them fight for the title and for putting their relationship with Hamilton at risk. As for Lewis after the race, anybody expecting more from someone after loosing the title after such a season has unrealistic high standards. Of course he wasn't happy, he congratulated Nico and that's that. I'm not a Hamilton fan, but some people are having an unfair go at him. Last edited by Taxi645; 28 Nov 2016 at 09:13. |
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28 Nov 2016, 09:23 (Ref:3691676) | #111 | ||
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Another season "dun n dusted" I doubt if Lewis will be filling in his UB40 regardless !
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28 Nov 2016, 09:37 (Ref:3691679) | #113 | |
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The media are saying Lewis is facing the sack over the Abu Dhabi GP.
http://www.msn.com/en-ie/sport/formu...id=mailsignout I doubt it but it might have implications the next time it comes to signing a new contract. |
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28 Nov 2016, 09:49 (Ref:3691682) | #114 | ||
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Well, Hamilton certainly seems to have polarised those that seriously follow F1.
A number of times over the weekend, Rosberg said that he just didn't have the pace of Hamilton, and I am certain that Hamilton was more than aware of that fact. Under those circumstances, he had the option to show his class, and just leave the rest of the field in his exhaust dust and try to humiliate the rest of the grid by lapping them. Having myself played a cat and mouse game with a competitor 50 odd years ago, I soon came to realise that it was just much more fun to lap everyone. It actually gave me far more satisfaction than just winning. |
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28 Nov 2016, 10:31 (Ref:3691697) | #118 | |
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If Lewis had driven off into the distance what a boring race it would have been and we would not have seen mush of the MB cars on track as the race TV director would have found more interesting activity down the field.
However Hamilton's tactics put us on the edge of our seats as one tried to figure out what might happen and gave us a memorable race that had plenty of drama without cars in the barriers. |
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About Mercedes winning everything, I think they are the only F1 team to have both their current drivers win the WDC and in consecutive years.
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28 Nov 2016, 11:11 (Ref:3691709) | #121 | |
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Glad this season is over. Hopefully 2017 will be better.
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