The Vee thread - Page 5

BillStenning · 4 Apr 2003, 11:53 (Ref:558232)

Yes, it's the side-draught motor...... and indeed, they are using 4 single pipes.

Differing views on how it looks...... it's a personal thing - I actually quite like it..... but not as much as my Spyder!!!!

racingdick · 4 Apr 2003, 12:04 (Ref:558246)

racingdick · 4 Apr 2003, 12:05 (Ref:558247)

EvilPumpkin · 4 Apr 2003, 12:14 (Ref:558253)

First round of the Irish Vee championship at Kirkistown tomorrow folks!

FilW · 4 Apr 2003, 22:55 (Ref:558861)

Anybody testing at Brands next friday or racing at the weekend??

bradenc · 6 Apr 2003, 20:46 (Ref:560668)

I'll be there Fil, but still not racing.

You went well at donington, mixing it with some of the big boys in your second race. Will I see more of the same at brands?

FilW · 7 Apr 2003, 14:24 (Ref:561686)

Yeh I had a good day Braden. It was nice to be actually racing instead of trundling around at the back as at Mallory!! Hopefully the car will behave at Brands and I'll get some good racing there as well. See you there.

av8rirl · 9 Apr 2003, 15:39 (Ref:564087)

So FilW, are there many entries for Brands?

FilW · 9 Apr 2003, 20:33 (Ref:564456)

AV8R there are about 45 entries I think but I don't have the paperwork on me. What is Brands like, I'm testing there on Friday because I'm working in the area and it seemed like too good on opportunity to miss. I hope that it does some good!!!!!!! I'll know on Sunday.

Lee Janotta · 9 Apr 2003, 20:56 (Ref:564485)

Like everything here, it costs too damn much.

And there are other classes I'd rather run for the same money. FVee's don't handle well, too momentum based... Like modern FFord 1600s, one end just follows the other around the track.

av8rirl · 10 Apr 2003, 09:05 (Ref:564879)

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
And there are other classes I'd rather run for the same money. FVee's don't handle well, too momentum based... Like modern FFord 1600s, one end just follows the other around the track.

Hey Lee. Have you raced a Vee? If not, you should hire a car for a race. Give it a go. When you beat everyone to the flag, you're qualified to slag Vee's. I'm not trying to start an arguement but I have a feeling that people think Vee's are actually easier than any other class. I think it might be judgement based on costs and suspension (which is due to regulations first created in the 60's).

FilW: I'm not a huge fan of Brands Indy track. Saying that it does have Paddock. You need big balls and plenty of confidence to go thru Paddock quick. Each time you do it, your heart will lift a little. The turn in is fairly blind. Just build up the confidence. When fighting for position, you can go round the outside at Paddock (but you need them big balls and confidence in the person your racing with). The more usual passing spot at Paddock is up the inside under braking. Paddock can be taken in 4th (when you have a clear track) but is mostly 3rd.

After that you have Druids hairpin which is 2nd/3rd gear and on down to one of the two most important corners Graham Hill. This is 3rd gear with exit speed most important. From here you are flat then to McLaren where you'll shift to 3rd. Back on the power through Clearways onto the main straight. McLaren/Clearways is very important to have good exit speed as this takes you onto the longest flat (throttle) part.

Enjoy and let me know how it goes.

Lee Janotta · 10 Apr 2003, 12:59 (Ref:565060)

Quote:

Originally posted by av8rirl
Hey Lee. Have you raced a Vee? If not, you should hire a car for a race. Give it a go. When you beat everyone to the flag, you're qualified to slag Vee's. I'm not trying to start an arguement but I have a feeling that people think Vee's are actually easier than any other class. I think it might be judgement based on costs and suspension (which is due to regulations first created in the 60's).

With my budget, I could maybe rent the car and sit in the parking lot during the race making engine sounds from my mouth!

I'm not trying to rubbish Vees, they just don't handle the way I prefer. This is from watching the SCCA runoffs for several years, which includes the country's most competitive FVee field. Any time one of these guys gets a little sideways, he loses massive amounts of time... So it just doesn't mesh with the way I drive. I suppose that's the point I was trying to make.

Sure, it can be a good training ground... Quite a few Champcar drivers have run FVee at some point.

BillStenning · 10 Apr 2003, 14:03 (Ref:565124)

Lee,

You have an interesting point..... I think tho' that UK spec Vee's are somewhat different to US.... I was under the impression that the US runs on quite lowly tuned 1200's (about 55hp?) with skinny slick tyres... (pls correct me if i'm wrong)

UK Vee's run just under 100hp with quite sticky treaded cross plys.... whilst slipstreaming and momentum are important, they aren't quite the be all and end all that is the case in the US.... The nature of the cross ply tyres means that the last thing that can be said of a UK Vee is that the rear wheels simply follow the front ones.... no siree - we're in 4 wheel drift country!

I remember hearing in the US that the clerk of the course will look down on the cars on the straight (from a bridge) to check they aren't actually touching in the slipstream - it's that extreme.....

Also.... am interested to know what other formulae can be run for the same money!

woodyracing · 10 Apr 2003, 16:05 (Ref:565232)

Quote:

Originally posted by BillStenning
Also.... am interested to know what other formulae can be run for the same money!

me too.

quick question. do 750 Vees always get the garages ? and do u have to pay extra for one?

Woody.

Lee Janotta · 10 Apr 2003, 16:40 (Ref:565257)

It would seem the specs _are_ very different on opposite sides of the north Atlantic. FVees here rarely top 60 hp, (all are 1200s, I'd never even heard of racing 750s), the tires are extremely skinny, and the drafting is absurd, the weird exception being Mark Stout, who demolished the competition last year (although it looked like he destroyed his tires and really started to cool off at the end of the race).

If you can race a UK-spec Vee in four-wheel drift, that changes things entirely, I can understand why you're so fond of them!

For the same price... Open-wheel Formulas would be F500 (overgrown go-karts with 500cc two-strokes, and all suspension deflection based on a spec rubber disc), Club Formula Ford (old chassis with outboard springs), and maybe a shoestring effort in Pro Spec Racer (sealed 2.0L Ford motors, full bodywork).

The tintop classes in that price range are more interesting, though, especially the fairly new Spec Miata (Mazda MX-5) class. Good racing, fairly low cost, and the cars can be easily upgraded to run in the Pro Spec Miata class which sometimes supports CART and ALMS events (and pays real prize money!).

Garages? What garages?

We're talking 3 dozen classes at an SCCA National meeting, which usually run both Saturday and Sunday. You need a lot of cars to make the events fiscally viable.

woodyracing · 10 Apr 2003, 16:54 (Ref:565273)

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
I'd never even heard of racing 750s

no, the 750 I mentioned is the club that runs them (www.750mc.co.uk)

750mc Vees are 1300cc

Lee Janotta · 10 Apr 2003, 18:20 (Ref:565370)

Ah, sorry 'bout that!

And looking back through this thread, the differences in rolling stock become quite obvious to me. Sorry I didn't notice that before.

An SCCA FVee running in the states (Daytona) for comparison:

Stock wheels and extremely narrow slicks.

As for the drafting, well...

Lee Janotta · 10 Apr 2003, 18:31 (Ref:565388)

Stupid time limit on editing messages. Sorry about mucking up the thread like this.

Ahem, the drafting...

Lee Janotta · 10 Apr 2003, 18:35 (Ref:565394)

Ah, sorry 'bout that!

FilW · 10 Apr 2003, 19:57 (Ref:565473)

Woody...I don't know how they allocate the garages but we've got them for second meeting running. We don't have to pay for them

I presume they are included in the cost of hiring the circuit but I'm not sure. If you make it to Brands come and say hi.I'm No 50

ss_collins · 10 Apr 2003, 20:25 (Ref:565500)

I might come out to play in a rental vee - its one of the only single seater series that interests me as I'm a VW driver exclusivley really. Though did appear (in a non comp role) on the rally of kent in a Subaru

racingdick · 10 Apr 2003, 20:44 (Ref:565525)

jesse mason, whos in f3 with performance won Fvee championship 2000 or 2001 in canada 14 out of 16 race wins

woodyracing · 10 Apr 2003, 22:12 (Ref:565640)

FilW, I probably cant make it to Brands this weekend but I will come over and say hi next time im at a Vee race.

av8rirl · 15 Apr 2003, 08:36 (Ref:569875)

So wots the news from Brands?

woodyracing · 15 Apr 2003, 09:10 (Ref:569899)

bradenc, were you racing at Donington last time?
i was there but I couldn't work out which number you were.

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