Where are all the Super Coupe's

[Mark Bailey]

So Colin, what are you going to do with two of them?

Good idea Jamie, you may keep up with me now Let us know how the transplant goes, I was under the impression it required a loom/ECU and suspension change to install it? If its that quick though I'll start looking for a Type R engine!

[Matt Speakman]

It's got a Dinosaur motorsport plate on it so may be one of Dean Clements old cars, or supported cars.

Are you bidding on this Colin? planning to set up your own rover team? there is a 'Stubby' ebay id bidding on it as I speak.....

Well done Colin - you have bought one of DC's old Gti's. I have another, albeit slightly bent & a write off, that has a perfectly good Dinosaur Engine & 'box in, not to mention everything else bolted to it execpting the shell! I've also somehitng like 20 rims... Let me know if you'd be interested in these spares via matthew.speakman@snowsgroup.co.uk but remember, most of them come wrapped in a car!!!!!

Cheers
Matt

[Jamie G]

Originally Posted by Mark Bailey

So Colin, what are you going to do with two of them?

Good idea Jamie, you may keep up with me now Let us know how the transplant goes, I was under the impression it required a loom/ECU and suspension change to install it? If its that quick though I'll start looking for a Type R engine!

Not quite true, you need additional wires into the loom (8 of) and an ECU. Driveshafts are changed and a few odds and ends. But that's all.

I know where there's a B20 Civic VTEC engine for sale if you're interested...? That would put us both in front of ALL Colin's Rovers!

[Mark Bailey]

Jamie, That's very tempting but I'm still not sure if I'm going to have any spare non baby cash for next year.

What discs and hubs are you planning to run? keeping the fancy hubs? If you have difficulty sourcing or coverting citroen discs I believe you can put CRX Vtec uprights on the car which then allows Rover discs. May be worth considering if you are changing those bits.

If colin ever works out how to drive both cars at once we may still have difficulty passing.

As it doesn't sound like you are going Pre 93 (unless there is a class) what are you plans?

[Jamie G]

Actually I don't see why I wouldn't be eligible for Pre-93? The engine was available 1990 onwards as OE in a CRX and doesn't have anything the existing 16v lump doesn't - fuel injection, 16 valves etc - so I can't see how I wouldn't be allowed?

Mark, our car doesn't have fancy uprights, think they got binned a while ago before we got the car. We're doing a straight engine swap and using existing hubs and driveshafts.

I'm doing DTRC again next year, and looking at maybe Pre-93. Where do I find the regs?

[Mark Bailey]

My mistake, it use to have light weight hubs on it.

I had a quick read but it doesn't exclude that version of the engine, maybe Colin could clarify.

Reg's can be download here: http://www.classictouringcars.com/ We do move up from the below 1600 class to the 1600-2000 litre class being multi valved, I always find that type of rule a little frustrating.

[COLIN STUBBS]

ye sorry jamie im not an expert on crx so guess you are right.so long as the car is the right shape for the engine,etc. we would definatelly be running in the 2 litre class,but all the 2 litre 16 valve cars would be a class up. i think.not sure i like the proposed running of older cars on bigger dia wheels though. might get some 2litre pinto escorts in with bloody great brakes. its a good idea to allow older cars into later series as long as they run to their own spec.where are all the golfs/astras etc that used to race in the early 90s? ctcrc are a fantastic club to race with just seems a shame there arnt more cars running pre93. maybe its time for a "whos doing pre93 "thread??

[Tim Wilkinson]

Colin - where has older cars / bigger wheels been proposed? I think the pre-93 regs work well with original wheel diameter, the older cars should be in group 1, or post-historic and if they fit into pre-93 (as they will if they're CTCRC cars) and are competitive that's great, but the pre-93 rules shouldn't be changed to equalise the older cars with the newer ones when those older cars already have their own class to run in. If people want to run bigger wheels then there's always "Classic Mod-Prod Thunder"!

I should think most of the Golfs and Astras have rotted away or been binned by now. There should be an 8v Astra out next year after I put its new owner onto pre-93. I'm looking to do a few rounds, as I'll probably have gaps in the calendar where I'm not doing the more expensive DTRC events. There's potential for some big grids if people bring the cars out, just need to find all the other CRXs, 216s, Astras, Golfs and 205s.

[Jamie G]

I'm not eligible for Pre-93 - I've removed window winders, door trims and the windows are plastic.

Any recommendations for Classic Thunder? What are the entry fees like? How long are the races?

[COLIN STUBBS]

not sure if ctcrc are changing anything now some of the ex toyo people are going to run ct next season. where are you denis??

[COLIN STUBBS]

jamie. take a look at mst timing for what was in classic thunder ot the weekend.some of the toyo cars had a run.
re "where are all the super coupes?". i can now vouch for the fact im soon gong to have 3 of em!!

[Al Weyman]

2007 pre 93 regs are being worked on now but you can find this years on the Classic Touring Car Racing site. I think JohnW is going to post here shortly with reference to the progress so look out for them. Iwas talking to some ex mod prod boys at Donington and they were surprized at some of the machinery in CT and if it had not of rained would have been swamped (no pun intended) I think they will be easier to convert to pre 93 myself and they agreed. Antony Wrights Tomcat was 11 seconds slower than pole setter Gerald Faber's Camaro, that will take some making up!

[COLIN STUBBS]

good news al. a few of us are waiting to see whats happening. sounds promising. speed differentials are a big problem in ct,and i hope antony and a few more of us get into pre93 for next year.

[Al Weyman]

Yes me too, I suggested they may like to do the 4th Nov truck fest round at Brands as we have been offered a race for all the classic championships bar CT and they seemed keen. I wont be going as its time for some work on the house and my shop! I think they got the wrong end of the stick when they see CT at Lydden because none of the heavy iron was out but a lot of the Miltek BMW boys were out. Dont do anything for a week or two to your cars if you want to run in pre 93 till you see whats happening.

[Jamie G]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Yes me too, I suggested they may like to do the 4th Nov truck fest round at Brands as we have been offered a race for all the classic championships bar CT and they seemed keen. I wont be going as its time for some work on the house and my shop! I think they got the wrong end of the stick when they see CT at Lydden because none of the heavy iron was out but a lot of the Miltek BMW boys were out. Dont do anything for a week or two to your cars if you want to run in pre 93 till you see whats happening.

My problem is putting trim back IN the car to make it legal, and also some of the mods that were carried out when the car ran in Super Coupe (lexan windows and tailgate, etc) I don't see as complying with Pre-93 regs. I'd like to do it but the car is multi-purpose so it might be hard to make it fit all the bills.

Are the Pre-93 regs freeing up a little then, Al?

[Al Weyman]

There is nothing dyed in wool yet and JohnW will keep us up to speed when anything is decided. I would have thought it feasable to have a tailgate with the right glass fitted and swap over for different events wouldnt it, thats what I was contemplating. Same with the doors. Dont think much trim is required even as the rules are now.

[Tomcat Racer]

Any chance of using slicks rather than road tyres ?

[Al Weyman]

I can tell you its an open secret that its looking increasingly like a deal is being brokered with Toyo to run on their 888's List 1b's for a very competitive price.

[Mark Bailey]

Jamie, I have a wrecked road car with all the glass and internal trim in it should you wish to put some back in your car, if you do please msg me. The door cards are easy to fit and the rear plastic trim is one piece per side so easy to drop in and out.

Colin, What's this about a third car? I did see another rover in the background photo of the one you bought, or have you got Matt's ?

[Tim Wilkinson]

And this kind of thing is exactly why I haven't bought any tyres for next season yet.

Any idea of how long a set of those will last on an 850kg front-drive car? And are they much cop in the wet? I have slicks and intermediates (ao48s) already, but figured my existing wets were crap and put them on the girlfriend's road car. Don't fancy shelling out on wets (for DTRC) and 888s if I have to run them in pre-93.

Would Toyo let us use Proxes if it rains?

[johnw]

Teej
They seem to last forever on my RWD 1150 KG car.
Great in the wet too. They are after all a road legal tyre.
No need to use anything else.

Your girlfriend must be flattered to have your crap cast off's. Get her something good

[Tim Wilkinson]

She was flattered enough that she got free tyres on her car! Yokohama A509s, so not too bad, just better suited to road use than racing.

I've heard that some of these trackday tyres aren't much cop in the wet, even if they are road legal. I was looking at Proxes as then I could run in Mod Prods if the fancy took me. So 888s it is, then.

[johnw]

Don't think that Modprods will be on the Proxes either.

[Tim Wilkinson]

Sorry, I meant that I had been considering Proxes until the news of the Mod Prod / Classic Thunder merger broke. Stopped thinking about tyre choices after that because it was hurting my head!

[johnw]

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