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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
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How about an endurance race for LMP3s (and other classes) at Sebring in November or December? Per S365:
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But this IS part of why I didn't like the idea of LMP3 being part of this series. If the cars aren't substantially quicker than the older(and by many measurements, outdated) cars, eventually participants are going to start asking "why are we paying to much more for these cars?" It's not healthy for the long-term. |
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900 to 534 is 366kg which is an even bigger disparity between the two. I kinda agree with you F-Fox, imo lmp3 is a waste of time but the ACO decided to monopolize the p2 class with 4 cars, of which the Riley seems like it'll never have much if any more takers so you can say 3. That means the rest of the builders are stuck doing p3, which also has a tender, or p1, which requires more money than most are willing to spend.
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The LMP3 is the ACO's answer to the DP. In fact they basically are. The engines sound the same, both are cheap, have a short wheelbase.ect. ect.
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Pricewise LMP3 slips in nicely between Group CN and LMP2, and with CN being all open-top(despite Oreca's concept, but I think poor timing killed that more than anything else) it appeals to drivers who don't like open-top cars, but I think it needs some work on the performance side. But CN cars have occasionally outpaced them in VdeV(and the LMP3s didn't exactly blow away the CNs at the 3x3H races in Dubai, either), and as we've seen they're not greatly outpacing the DP02s. LMP3 needs some work to really suit it's pricetag, and I see no reason it can't be done - just look at what Ginetta did simply by putting a more powerful engine in the back. Even before they tweaked the aero the G57 was a ton faster with that extra power. And frankly I don't think they need a whole lot. Drop 100kg and add 50 horsepower and the P3s could probably smash both CN and(especially) the DP02s more than sufficiently without being too quick for the Am drivers that are expected to support the class. And I don't think that could require too much work - a well designed car requires ballast to get up to the minimum weight to begin with, and more than a few groups have indicated that the engine may be capable of more than it's producing. |
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I prefer a series with lmp3 anf gt4 cars with races that last 2 and half hours.
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And the LMP3 seems to be a two horse race. Ginetta ran away and Adess are stuck with a product that nobody seems to want. |
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Group CN is an entry point. The Elan DP02 is an entry point. LMP3 is not an entry point. And no, I don't want LMP2 times out of them. They don't need to run LMP2 times. They just need to be noticeably, consistently quicker than the DP02s - enough to justify the increased price tag. Like I said already, drop 100kg and add 50 horsepower and that'd probably do the trick. They should not be slow enough for the Elan DP02 to qualify 4th overall. |
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Remember a few years ago when Level 5 engineered some little proto, like a lites car, to run P2 times? That was a sweet engineering exercise but again, more to it than speed. Safety is a huge concern for lots of folks. |
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It's taken almost ten years for West to implement the lessons from that exercise into West's main range at an affordable price in their new LMP4. Unfortunately, they're all but extinct from the American market now and exist primarily as Australia's equivalent to the Elan DP02. |
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You've got a lot more faith than I do that people running a feeder championship will be willing to pay out more than double the price for a car that's barely any quicker.
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Ryan Eversley on board in the Wolf GB08 MJ-V8 in the last 25 hours of Thunderhill overcoming to the Ginetta G57 (Chevy V8) shows how fast a CN can be!!! https://www.facebook.com/jfcracing/v...type=2&theater |
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But CN cars do indeed make an excellent base for some awesome machinery in unlimited classes, particularly on hillclimbs(which CN was originally created for - it branched out into circuit racing later): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPieNL9K7cw |
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I actually coach one of the LMP3 drivers in lites. The class is likely to be successful, but will have to go with longer races once the Elans are phased out. The ability to run the car for a distance is part of the reason drivers are ok with the price increase from the Elan. Plus the car can be run in other series easily
However, most of the customers are not from the Elan, they're coming from cars that are more expensive like the Ferrari or Lambo series. |
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I thought they were just as fast as they were expected to be.
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