[BTCC] BTCC 2022 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[Evantra]

Once again, can we please stop with the endless list one-upping...

[Racing Harz]

Welcome to the Kindergarten.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Racing Harz

Welcome to the Kindergarten.

It is very much "I know something you don't know" on here at the moment.

[Bump Pass]

Not confirmed but I'l stick him down as it anyway

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

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They have literally just tagged the people in the photo

[mj088]

Originally Posted by houston

It is very much "I know something you don't know" on here at the moment.

Same every year - i get there is a reason people aren't announced, but it sure makes riveting reading seeing people argue how certain twitter posts are more valid than others because of the hashtags used and specifically telling us they know a big secret and cant tell us.

[porsche962fan]

Jake Hill confirmed that WSR don't have a hybrid system yet

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Jake Hill confirmed that WSR don't have a hybrid system yet

Yes - he says that (as far as he knows) Team Dynamics are the only team with a new kit yet.

https://www.btcc.net/2022/01/07/hill...-season-ahead/

He also says that one of his teammates is a former champion, so a big hint that Turkington is retained for 2022.

[mick bennett]

Not exactly fair, if ?? one team gets a head start on the new hybrid system.

[FIRE]

You would say all teams get the hybrid system at the same moment.

[Petoli]

Unless you coordinate deliveries so they all have it same time

or have a rule that says that teams are not allowed to open the deliveries of the hybrid system and interact with it in any way until all team have received theirs


haven't Speedwork been running the Hybrid test Toyota so they have had a huge head start over everyone

[medius]

Originally Posted by Petoli

haven't Speedwork been running the Hybrid test Toyota so they have had a huge head start over everyone

No. Cosworth and M-Sport were operating the engine and hybrid parts of the car, Speedworks only did the bare bones of making the car go around the track reliably (suspension and gearbox). Likewise with Ciceley and the 1-series Hybrid

[Petoli]

Originally Posted by medius

No. Cosworth and M-Sport were operating the engine and hybrid parts of the car, Speedworks only did the bare bones of making the car go around the track reliably (suspension and gearbox). Likewise with Ciceley and the 1-series Hybrid

So who run the car during the Silverstone round and during testing

M-Sport?

[Greem]

Originally Posted by Petoli

So who run the car during the Silverstone round and during testing

Speedworks ran the car with their British GT technical and pit crew to ensure their normal entries ran as normal. Cosworth (hybrid system) and M-Sport (engine) were also present. As I understand it, most of the development sessions have been run in a similar manner.

Someone's got to do the work!

[crmalcolm]

It's an inevitable part of having common components in NGTC, and it is not the first time something like this happened.

Feb 2010 - Pirtek were the first team to receive an NGTC engine, ahead of any other team competing.
Oct 2015 - PMR ran the updated RML components before any other team, before additional testing in a post-season run at Donington Park. WSR were next to run the parts, as delivery of the updated components was delivered in stages to teams competing in 2016.

There will also be other factors where the supply to teams will be sequenced - such as going through the facilities at WP. It's just the nature of having suppliers to a specific set of regulations that are relatively small in scale.

I guess you could argue that the supplier(s) should hold all kits until they have enough to supply every team simultaneously. But, part of the supply going out as soon as possible is so that issues can be identified. If TD identify certain issues with the hybrid kit now, then changes can be made before the other teams are supplied.

[Pdh]

Originally Posted by mick bennett

Not exactly fair, if ?? one team gets a head start on the new hybrid system.

It could be that they paid for their kit before anybody else so gets it first

[coffinpilot]

It does make you wonder. Is there a possibility that 2022 could kick off with the hybrid systems installed but not used for the first round or two if there was a problem that only comes to light once the full grid is armed with them?

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by Pdh

It could be that they paid for their kit before anybody else so gets it first

most teams will do all the prep work on their cars first and leave it late as possible to collect the actual kit so to save cash on paying out the kit deposits as season doesnt start till late april

[mj088]

Originally Posted by Greem

Speedworks ran the car with their British GT technical and pit crew to ensure their normal entries ran as normal. Cosworth (hybrid system) and M-Sport (engine) were also present. As I understand it, most of the development sessions have been run in a similar manner.

Someone's got to do the work!

and of course the guys from the GT side of Speedworks and the BTCC side don't talk about it....

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by mj088

and of course the guys from the GT side of Speedworks and the BTCC side don't talk about it....

Didn't you know? That's the first rule of Hybrid Club

[porsche962fan]

since Dynamics lost Honda backing guess they don't have to bother about the new Civic road car

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

since Dynamics lost Honda backing guess they don't have to bother about the new Civic road car

Probably, but I think that is more a question for the 2023 season:

"Base vehicle must be freely on sale in the UK through the manufacturer’s normal dealer network at time of homologation"

[mj088]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Probably, but I think that is more a question for the 2023 season:

"Base vehicle must be freely on sale in the UK through the manufacturer’s normal dealer network at time of homologation"

I'm always unsure on this rule is there not a stipulation of being on sale within the last 5 years? im sure this is in part why the Chevys had to be ditched at the end of 2017 and the MG's in 2019?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by mj088

I'm always unsure on this rule is there not a stipulation of being on sale within the last 5 years? im sure this is in part why the Chevys had to be ditched at the end of 2017 and the MG's in 2019?

The car has to be on sale in the UK at the time of homologation, and then can be used up until five years after it is no longer sold.

That is why the Infiniti Q50 can be used in 2022, but the 11th Gen Civic cannot.

'“We were aware that the Q50 wouldn’t be sold after the start of 2020, but we got the homologation done, so it’s fine,” says Moffat Sr. “To be honest, five years is long enough for any car. After that, it’s going to be tired and it will need a change.”'

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by mj088

I'm always unsure on this rule is there not a stipulation of being on sale within the last 5 years? im sure this is in part why the Chevys had to be ditched at the end of 2017 and the MG's in 2019?

That, surely, is the second part of the process under which cars are or stay eligible to race, plus of course, thing such as engine and car dimensions, etc.