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I can speculate as well as anyone else as to why Halo design was railroaded through. My thoughts...
* This being driven by liability and in particular something to do with Bianchi’s families lawsuit rings true to me. So there was likely an internal rush to pick and push forward a solution. Maybe even before they had evaluated all reasonable options. * Why Halo over a windscreen solution? It may be ... 1. Pure chance. Halo may have been a more mature option when they pulled the trigger. 2. maybe someone felt that halo would play better in the Bianchi suit. Such as alluding that Halo might have been more successful in a Bianchi style impact. I don’t want to rehash Bianchi’s accident and if anything could have prevented the impact of his helmet against the recovery vehicle or not. But just saying that maybe someone thinks Halo might have worked better than a windscreen or enclosed cockpit. 3. A team or group of teams just felt that a windscreen or canopy would be too disruptive to their current setup. So could Ferrari have instructed Vettel to provide negative feedback to quickly kill off more research? Note.. I suspect #1 or #3 is true. I hope #2 is not. Richard |
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I have always suspected the reason to be more inline with option #2. Unfortunately.
The current halo design will be most unlikely to offer much protection from the more likely scenario of a Massa type of small projectile injury. |
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12 Feb 2018, 08:24 (Ref:3800643) | #1255 | ||
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It is a shame that one Vettel lap was so early in the piece.... I suspect that had it been in the wake of the Indy testing a different story might have unfolded.
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It's such a shame the FIA were reluctant to properly test the shield, Indycar have shown it does work, but they listened to quickly to Vettel
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My personal feeling is that running a race in a hurricane, putting heavy equipment on course before the field is under control, parking trailers in the pit lane with the liftgate down might be construed as negligence in America. But competent organizers wouldn't do / allow such sh*t to occur. Racing has always been dangerous, now it's as perilous as being an actuary. The FIA's legal problems are of their own making. Their knee-jerk reaction is fundamentally altering the DNA of the sport. Thank God Todt isn't running MotoGP. Can you imagine what his version of a race bike would look like? Paul |
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stabilisers great post, paul. only thing is the de villota thing was a bit random in that it wasn’t at a circuit but a straightline test at an airfield, and those happen constantly, day in day out without drivers managing to hit something. it was a set of mistakes from driver and team that resulted in an accident. i’m sure we’ve all been in far more dangerous paddock situations that haven’t resulted in an accident because everyone has done their job except the organisers... the thing that completely baffles me is that if anything the teams had tacked onto the cars restricted visibility as much as the halo does then it’d be swiftly outlawed. it’s the equivalent of road cars that restrict the peripheral vision with massive pillars and small windows and create blind spots in order to pass crash tests. |
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Why the Halo? It was the most developed item of the three concepts put forward. The FiA should have done more research on various concepts, but they didn't want to waste their own money on R&D, and so in 2014 asked if the teams to could come up with their own concept. Mercedes came up with the Halo concept in 2015. Ferrari first tested it in February 2016. Red Bull introduced the Aeroscreen in April 2016. The Aeroscreen was an improvement aesthetically, but created more issues over the Halo. The shield was a last minute jab by the FiA. It wasn't thoroughly researched, and was a rushed concept. And we know what happened at Silverstone 2017. And so... the Halo was it. |
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IndyCar are planning a street course test, at either season opener St. Petes or Long Beach.
http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/134359 |
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14 Feb 2018, 13:58 (Ref:3801290) | #1262 | |
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Thing people are missing is that in the initial simulator tests for Indycar there were big visibility issues that meant a return to the drawing board and new materials etc.
F1 didn't have the time to do that. They barely had time to get the much more mature Halo technology in on the timescale they had committed to. If they had postponed again and there was a serious accident this season they would have been torn apart by the media and fans yet alone the legal issues of having a system but not using it. Besides they've said on several occasions that the Halo is not the only solution for the future so there's no reason why they might not adopt a shield type device in seasons to come. All this talk from people on social media that they are done watching F1 because of the halo is, frankly, laughable. |
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14 Feb 2018, 14:56 (Ref:3801295) | #1263 | |
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A good point, obviously the FIA wanted something in for 2018, but it seemed the majority of teams favoured the shield, so therein lies the controversy. At least Indycar are giving it a proper test
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14 Feb 2018, 17:11 (Ref:3801311) | #1266 | ||
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Halo being considered for NZ TRS - to keep the series FIA relevant.
Dixon says aeroshield ok for Indy car after initial test. http://www.velocitynews.co.nz/news.php?id=2646 |
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2018 HALO Mandate
I just saw a few launch photos & a video of various 2018 F1 cars. I immediately noticed halos have been incorporated into the cars.
I viewed the 2018 rule [email]changes at: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/technical/2018/1/what-are-the-new-f1-technical-rules-for-2018-.html I was curious as to whether or not these devices obstruct the drivers vision due to their design. |
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21 Feb 2018, 09:22 (Ref:3802844) | #1270 | |
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Riccardo said in his Silverstone filming run in the new car, that it didn't.
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There is a thread with some 1300 posts regarding the halo and every conceivable aspects of the various concepts of drivers head protection, from visor to halo. Visibility is one of the main discussion points.
Thread is here: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129305 |
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You mention that Ricciardo said it does not obstruct vision, so you have answered your own question.
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I read the other day that Bottas pumped a load of laps in on the sim which also has the halo fitted. He said there was no issues involving visibility in fact after a number of laps he forgot about it.
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21 Feb 2018, 12:25 (Ref:3802891) | #1274 | ||
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Martin Brundle: "Does it come with a hacksaw to cut off the Halo? You need to feel a little scared when you’re driving, and watching, F1. It’s a foundation of the DNA of the sport."
Couldn't agree more! Halo has to be the dumbest idea the FiA have come up with ever! |
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