Rosberg vs Hamilton

[beau1]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

its all about the darkside!

i wasnt trying to shift the blame away from Nico though. just trying to look for explanations for why he seems to be cracking under the pressure.

two races in a row now for NR where he has made one questionable choice and given an odd reason for it followed by two unforced errors.

so only fair imo to look speculate on reasons why he is making such odd mistakes.

for me i suspect that the size and scope of social media is adding (significantly) to the pressure NR is under and i also question his ability to deal with it.

needless to say i believe social media plays a much bigger role in shaping the story then perhaps other do and that its effects have very real consequences upon those involved in said story.

I think it is to do with luck catching up with Nico. He's been making mistakes all season and most of them he had got away with.

Remember when he was so close to stuffing it into the wall in Canada and went off whilst ahead in Austria (?). I guess we can also add Monaco qualifying to the list as well.

[chillibowl]

for sure he has been very lucky that his mistakes haven't cost him more.

for me though i wouldnt say it was bad luck that caused him to use the escape road twice in one race though. that was a mistake he has to own imo.

obviously i have no idea what was going on in his car let alone in his head so im just speculating that its pressure based on his being out in front for the first time and from being cast as the bad guy by the fans and by his team, an attitude being reinforced and magnified via social media.

although from the responses i have been getting on this i have to admit that im over thinking it.

[beau1]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

for sure he has been very lucky that his mistakes haven't cost him more.

for me though i wouldnt say it was bad luck that caused him to use the escape road twice in one race though. that was a mistake he has to own imo.

obviously i have no idea what was going on in his car let alone in his head so im just speculating that its pressure based on his being out in front for the first time and from being cast as the bad guy by the fans and by his team, an attitude being reinforced and magnified via social media.

although from the responses i have been getting on this i have to admit that im over thinking it.

I don't think the mistakes themselves were bad luck but more the consequences of said mistakes.

I don't think he is making any more mistakes compared with 6-7 races ago but now they are costing him positions. The mistake at Monza gave away maybe 3-4 seconds and probably cost him the win, on the other hand he made a similar mistake in Austria and he was able to stay ahead.

[F1Pete]

http://www.f1reader.com/#/news/039-m...tle-039-106051

Well, after reading Mansell's comments....the one who gets the least amount of booing will win the title and sell more cars.

[garcon]

Silly me. I'd forgotten that F1 is a popularity contest.

[F1Pete]

Yes, the most popular with the manufacturer...

[garcon]

Which is usually the one who scores the most points.

[Aysedasi]

Which right now is Hamilton......

[OZ_HCR32]

Well, glad Rosberg was robbed of points as Hamilton had been in the past deu to mechanical failures. Evens up the book so now hopefully we can see who gets the points haul and comes out on top on a slightly more even playing field.

I am still backign Rosberg as I think Hamilton will be the more likely to mess up and cost himself a 1st or 2nd

[cds_uk]

Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

Well, glad Rosberg was robbed of points as Hamilton had been in the past deu to mechanical failures. Evens up the book so now hopefully we can see who gets the points haul and comes out on top on a slightly more even playing field.

I am still backign Rosberg as I think Hamilton will be the more likely to mess up and cost himself a 1st or 2nd

Sorry OZ, the only thing that will cost Hamilton the title is lack of reliability with his car.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

Well, glad Rosberg was robbed of points as Hamilton had been in the past deu to mechanical failures. Evens up the book so now hopefully we can see who gets the points haul and comes out on top on a slightly more even playing field.

I am still backign Rosberg as I think Hamilton will be the more likely to mess up and cost himself a 1st or 2nd

Maybe.
Rosberg won the first race when Hamilton retired but once under way Hamilton won the next four. Since then Rosberg clawed back the advantage till the last two races reset the order. It was Rosberg who made the errors in Italy. Hamilton was clearly driving within himself and the car in Singapore, faster than anyone else and using less fuel.....

The points system favours reliability. There are five races left, one with double points. If Hamilton wins three of them and is second at the other two, and Rosberg wins one plus the double points race and has thee seconds the difference at the end of the season is still the three points it is now. Hamilton has demonstrated across the year that on form, he is the faster of the two over a race distance.

This may not make people happy, but the question of reliability will make the difference in who gains the title, not speed.

[Tucky]

There are a lot of comments about how Rosberg "deserved" the retirement since Hamilton had more bad luck so far, but what would happen if Rosberg retired from the next three races with technical problems? Would the public tide turn to favour Rosberg and say Hamilton should be robbed of points as well? I don't think so.

[Zico]

Originally Posted by Tucky

There are a lot of comments about how Rosberg "deserved" the retirement since Hamilton had more bad luck so far, but what would happen if Rosberg retired from the next three races with technical problems? Would the public tide turn to favour Rosberg and say Hamilton should be robbed of points as well? I don't think so.

Yes quite, I don't think its a purely Lewis fanclub thing though. I regard myself as a neutral between the two... in fact I actually regard Alonso as the most complete pilot in F1 right now.
If Nico won the WDC on the track purely on merit I'd be one of the first to applaud his acheivement however some of his actions (especially Monaco) have left me with a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth.
I do hope he gets beaten fairly and squarely on the racetrack over the remaining races and not through reliability woes however.

[cds_uk]

Seven wins and three retirements against four wins and two retirements, simplistic way of looking at it but who can honestly say that Hamilton doesn't deserve to be leading the title race at the moment.

[Tourer]

I don't buy into the whole "deserves" thing but there's no doubt that when reliability allows, the two of them seem to be pretty evenly matched, sometimes LH quicker, sometimes NR & the current points gap indicates that there's nothing in it heading into the last few races of the season.

Let's hope for some good racing between them as it seems unlikely that anyone else is going to find the car speed needed between now and the end.

[Aysedasi]

I don't care who wins. I want to see some great racing between now and the end of the season.

[Paradise City]

Whilst Hamilton is a favourite driver of mine overall, I like to see Rosberg win it this year for sentimental reasons. A first time champ would be good. He's not a bad lad either.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by cds_uk

Sorry OZ, the only thing that will cost Hamilton the title is lack of reliability with his car.

Or sabotage apparently ....


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0HL2F520140926

[TF110]

3 points difference in Lewis's favor. 7 wins from 11 finishes for him. 4 wins from 12 finishes for Rosberg. Thats the stat that is most impressive and shows me theyre not actually 'close' but misfortune has brought it that way. Rosberg has the benefit of having 2 pole positions without Lewis able to challenge for that spot in Germany and Hungary. Rosberg has one less dnf 2 vs. 3 and hasn't had any failure in qualifying. Yet still trails by 3. Were fortunate the championship is this close. Because if Lewis had no failures, it wouldnt be. If Nico had no failures, it wouldn't be.

[F1Pete]

Before watching the race, I could see a sense despair in Nico's face and voice during an interview with some guy named Tom. So, I was not at all surprised to see that despair in his driving during the race. To me, his face displayed being a loser before the race even started....which wasn't good.

[Aysedasi]

Still all to play for, but I sense that Hamilton has the upper hand now.....

[paddy]

The problem is that the ridiculous double points race in Abu Dhabi could decide it all. If Hamilton extends his lead to 49 points by then and then suffers a mechanical breakdown Rosberg could still be champion. We all know that reliability is part of the game but by doubling the points in one race Bernie has put a huge emphasis on it. I just hope that whoever wins the title the double points fiasco doesn't decode it.

[Aysedasi]

Absolutely.

[Noodoo]

I'm sure Bernie said somewhere that even he now admits that double points is a bit daft, and now we know that it won't be returning next year, could they not just admit that they've been a bit stupid and scrap it for this season too? Especially as the driver's title is SO close at the minute, and probably will be up until the last race.

There's still time.

As for Hamilton Vs Rosberg, it's raw pace Vs consistency, and for me, raw pace is what F1 is about.

Hamilton for the title.

[MGDavid]

people say they want to see overtaking, and Lewis is the one doing it so my money's on him :-) (not much though!)