Peugeot 908 discussion

[gregtummer]

Originally Posted by vlad1977

The technical regulations change for 2012:

'The performance of the diesel engines will be pegged back by around 7% by decreasing the size of the air restrictors and the supercharger pressure. The diameter of the restrictors will be reduced from 47.4 mm to 45.8 mm for engines that have a single restrictor, and from 33.5 mm to 32.4 mm for those engines that have two. In addition, the supercharger pressure of the turbos will be reduced from 3 000 to 2 800 milibars.
The fuel tank capacity of diesel-engined LM P1 cars will be reduced by 5 litres (65 to 60 litres).'

As Peugeot has a double turbo V8 and Audi a single turbo V6, how will the reduction of the air restrictors and turbocharhe pressure affect the two engines? Which of them is more likely to gain an advantage from the new rules?

Stop neutering the cars!

[TF110]

They'll just run richer fuel mixtures and smoke more, go just as fast, if not faster. With smaller tanks there's no use to try and stretch a fuel run. Just go 'balls out' and get a nice gap, then pit.

[The Badger]

They cant smoke more . Its already in violation of the rules and I dont understand why its not inforced , as it is in the rules .

I dont think they can go any more balls out than they are now ..... with present aero that is .

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by gregtummer

Stop neutering the cars!

AMEN BROTHER !!!

[TF110]

That was said the year before, and before that. Nothing has changed though. The 'rules' aren't enforced. Which is why I said what I said. It's a pun intended type of statement.

[gustavobamba]

Peugeot is testing at Estoril some new parts (Yesterday and Today)

See link below:

http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=s...stories/100621

"Peugeot Sport is in Estoril from yesterday with two copies of 908. The goal is to prepare the final round of the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup, which will be held in Zhuhai, China. The French team is also testing some components that are being developed for next season. Although it has already been champion of sacred ILMC, Peugeot also still want to win the Chinese race. Are present in Estoril Franck Montagny, Stephane Sarrazin, Alexander Wurz and Nicolas Minassian."

SOURCE: Autosport Portugal

[deggis]

That's the hybrid livery... is that picture from the test or some old picture?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by deggis

That's the hybrid livery... is that picture from the test or some old picture?

Looks like a photo from the test, the car seems to be in current aero specification. I wonder if it's actually running hybrid power or it's just an elaborate double bluff.

[NelisB]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Looks like a photo from the test, the car seems to be in current aero specification. I wonder if it's actually running hybrid power or it's just an elaborate double bluff.

It's also a different fin on the back. The old one was rounded this one looks like audi's.
[edit] nevermind just looked at petit le mans pics and they had the same fin back then.[/edit]

[CTD]

There is also some difference at the front, can't quite put my finger on what exactly.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by CTD

There is also some difference at the front, can't quite put my finger on what exactly.

Looks to me like a slightly different splitter at the corners of the car. Also, remember that the last time we saw the hybrid it had the old front bodywork nearly lifted from the old 908, this one looks like the aero they've been using since the Le Mans test day with a few alterations.

[MitchZ06]

Either Peugeot is testing the Hybrid4 for next year (with the current 908 bodywork) or they've decided to use the Hybrid4 livery from now on.

[alexkiller8]

apparently the bodywork in the pic is the "hybrid" bodywork that usually peugeot uses at 1000km of spa, front section of LM bodywork, LM details on body rear but standard height rear wing. Maybe are really testing the hybrid 908 or maybe they will use that livery at zhuhai.

[gwyllion]

It makes little sense to use the hybrid4 livery without a hybrid drive train.

Anyway, Bruno Famin told John Dagys that the hybrid system will not be ready for Zhuhai. See http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-notebook2/P2/

[MitchZ06]

Famin lying? They might just be talking poo to surprise everyone? I'd love to see the Hybrid4 there!

[CTD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

It makes little sense to use the hybrid4 livery without a hybrid drive train.

Anyway, Bruno Famin told John Dagys that the hybrid system will not be ready for Zhuhai. See http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-notebook2/P2/

This does however not exclude them testing the hybrid system intensly.

[MitchZ06]

Sept 30 was ~2 weeks ago, maybe they've decided it's ready now?

[CTD]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Sept 30 was ~2 weeks ago, maybe they've decided it's ready now?

Again.
It's very likely they are testing it for the purpose of running it next year.
Nobody has ever said you could only test the car you are going to field in the next race.

[gwyllion]

The fact that Peugeot might have started testing the hybrid 908 on a race track, does not mean that the car is ready to race.

Look at how long the track development of the non-hybrid 908 toke: shakedown July 27, 2010 vs race debut (Sebring) March 18, 2011.

The same can be said for the Audi R18: shakedown end of November, 2010 vs race debut (Spa) May 7, 2011. The car was not ready for Sebring, even though it was testing in public sight. In 2010 the same happened with the R15+, which was not ready for Sebring...

[CTD]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

The fact that Peugeot might have started testing the hybrid 908 on a race track, does not mean that the car is ready to race.

Look at how long the track development of the non-hybrid 908 toke: shakedown July 27, 2010 vs race debut (Sebring) March 18, 2011.

The same can be said for the Audi R18: shakedown end of November, 2010 vs race debut (Spa) May 7, 2011. The car was not ready for Sebring, even though it was testing in public sight. In 2010 the same happened with the R15+, which was not ready for Sebring...

Thank you for supporting

[Plex]

Would agree with the above posts its just testing, nothing more...

[deggis]

Altough Dagys said "and is now expected to be on track sometime next year" and apparently this info came from Famin. Of course that doesn't rule out lying.

[gwyllion]

You have to read that sentence in its context. The question is/was whether the hybrid 908 would do its race debut in Zhuhai. So on track perhaps means racing on a track, not testing on a track?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Peugeot is testing at Estoril some new parts (Yesterday and Today)

See link below:

http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=s...stories/100621

"Peugeot Sport is in Estoril from yesterday with two copies of 908. The goal is to prepare the final round of the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup, which will be held in Zhuhai, China. The French team is also testing some components that are being developed for next season. Although it has already been champion of sacred ILMC, Peugeot also still want to win the Chinese race. Are present in Estoril Franck Montagny, Stephane Sarrazin, Alexander Wurz and Nicolas Minassian."

SOURCE: Autosport Portugal

Am I understanding correctly that Montagny Sarrazin Wurz and Minassian were testing the car at Estoril? I only ask because Pagenaud tweeted this on 11 Oct

"In France now, then Off again tomorrown for more testing somewhere in europe.."

I assume he was also testing the Peugeot?

[LeMans.pt]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Peugeot is testing at Estoril some new parts (Yesterday and Today)

SOURCE: Autosport Portugal

C'mon.... Portuguese Autosport? The worst endurance source at portugal...

Peugeot at Estoril:
- 908 2012 version
(recent reg updates: new restrictors, fuel tank and supercharger pressure )
- "Some new technical innovations, regarding the engine, that already exist in F1"
(according to estoril circuit source... Hybrid with a KERS??)
- Michelin test: Dry and wet.

source: lemansportugal.com