WMSC hearing - McLaren fined $100 million/excluded from WCC (MERGED) - Page 53

Ralf's Girl · 31 Oct 2007, 12:53 (Ref:2055854)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

An 'idea' seems way too vague.

Are you surprised that they're being vague, though? I think it's fairly clear that they want to keep their options open...

Marbot · 31 Oct 2007, 13:43 (Ref:2055891)

More on Pedro.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63712

Gt_R · 31 Oct 2007, 17:03 (Ref:2056022)

Ford is apparently protesting all 12 teams on the grid, saying that they stole ol'Henry's idea of having a 4 wheel machine powered by a motor.

Ron Dennis reject the allegations, saying the Mclaren has the motor at the back with precise difference in number of cylinders. Ferrari counters the allegations by saying that their car is painted red, not black.

... and the great great great grandson of the inventor of bicycles are looking to challenge Ford for copying the idea of movement on wheels. A seperate legal case is brought up by another family who believes that their ancestors pioneered the idea of horsepower centuries ago.

**Peter Mallett** · 31 Oct 2007, 17:13 (Ref:2056033)

That's about the first post from you this year that makes any sense. Well done.

**Adam43** · 31 Oct 2007, 17:32 (Ref:2056054)

Gt_R I have an affinity with the cynicism contained in that post.

Gt_R · 31 Oct 2007, 17:34 (Ref:2056056)

Well, i learnt that the easy way i can find agreement with you lot is to disagree with Max.

**Adam43** · 31 Oct 2007, 17:38 (Ref:2056063)

I have agreed with Max in the past, but he eventually beat me down to disagreeing with him

**Bononi** · 31 Oct 2007, 17:43 (Ref:2056075)

Well I usually agree with most things here but agreeing with Max to meet an angreement with the rest, I disagree then...

garcon · 31 Oct 2007, 18:17 (Ref:2056110)

Look, just because Max is barking mad doesn't mean he doesn't accidentally say something that makes sense occasionally...

Marbot · 31 Oct 2007, 19:06 (Ref:2056160)

I can't cope with this! Too many people agreeing with Max.

Since the first car was (supposedly) invented by Karl Benz in 1886 I think that maybe McLaren have the only true right to be on the grid.

Teretonga · 31 Oct 2007, 21:44 (Ref:2056335)

I heard the family of the guy who invented the idea of a rolling wheel is protesting the FIA for allowing vehicles with round wheels. Its their intellectual property.
They want a royalty on all competition vehicles with round wheels from the FIA and all its affiliates.
Oval and rectagonal wheels are exempted.....

garcon · 31 Oct 2007, 21:45 (Ref:2056337)

...so the Honda'll be ok then.

Teretonga · 31 Oct 2007, 22:44 (Ref:2056387)

I guess so...

Marbot · 1 Nov 2007, 00:50 (Ref:2056471)

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Originally Posted by garcon

...so the Honda'll be ok then.

Yes,the Honda is exempt due to a little known minimum speed clause.

It seems that McLaren will be in some sort of trouble if they turn up with anything more sophisticated than a Go-Kart.

JeremySmith · 1 Nov 2007, 01:19 (Ref:2056480)

And Toyota will be just fine as they are going backwards..

Marbot · 1 Nov 2007, 01:28 (Ref:2056485)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

And Toyota will be just fine as they are going backwards..

I think that Honda went backwards.Toyota are just sort of.......standing still.While you always feel that Honda can some how turn things around,Toyota,on the other hand,will win nothing.

**Bononi** · 1 Nov 2007, 13:38 (Ref:2056902)

Honda for sure went backwards... the only "Honda thing" that improved was Super Aguri.

crmalcolm · 1 Nov 2007, 13:54 (Ref:2056921)

Could all teams not just lock their brakes on the warm up. Thus causing a flat-spot and getting around the round wheel ban. (As long as McLaren do it before Ferrari, it won't have been Ferrari's idea).

Marbot · 1 Nov 2007, 18:05 (Ref:2057090)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Could all teams not just lock their brakes on the warm up. Thus causing a flat-spot and getting around the round wheel ban.

"lock their brakes" you say.And just whose brakes are those then?

crmalcolm · 1 Nov 2007, 19:12 (Ref:2057147)

Well they can't use anchors off the Titanic!

Marbot · 1 Nov 2007, 19:46 (Ref:2057169)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Well they can't use anchors off the Titanic!

I'd like to see them try!

I'm afraid that McLaren will have to come up with a whole new concept in F1 design in order to keep the FIA happy.

Picture the scene in the scrutineering bay:

FIA official: So where's the car Ron?

RD: This is it right here!

FIA official: That's your Lear Jet turned upside-down Ron.

Knowlesy · 1 Nov 2007, 20:27 (Ref:2057197)

So from Max's comments, McLaren are as good as out of next years championship.

An exciting season awaits.

Ralf's Girl · 1 Nov 2007, 21:53 (Ref:2057261)

I'm concerned by how far the FIA will go to find fault with next year's McLaren. They're obviously not going to find anything that's directly copied from Ferrari, but they can easily enough say that an "idea" from Ferrari has been developed into a McLaren component. And as McLaren are already guilty until proven innocent (which they won't be) the FIA won't even have to prove that they've done anything wrong. The whole thing is ridiculous, the FIA have absolutely no way of being objective in this.

Knowlesy · 1 Nov 2007, 22:02 (Ref:2057268)

To me it sounds as if they are intent on finding fault to a worrying degree.

But hey, maybe I'm just paranoid.

JeremySmith · 2 Nov 2007, 00:11 (Ref:2057335)

I am not concerned about this at all...There will be nothing wrong with the 2008 McLaren like there was nothing wrong with this years car..

Sir Jackie Stewart was correct in saying the this is just a Witch hunt on behalf of the FIA. Which is why Mr Mosley did not care for his comments, they were just to close to the truth..

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