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The wing 'isn't moving' according to the tests. But it is in the race. Thats "the trick". That is unless they did NOT test for the wing. Is it more clear what I said? You said the same thing-
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I can see Toyota stepping up their budget substantially - being beaten by Audi or Porsche is one thing, but being beaten by Nissan is another story that the Toyota top brass will not want to happen.
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No. Talking about the dip in the wing as a whole. But its actually two different solutions so its hard to get to the bottom of it.
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Interesting interview of Nicolas Lapierre thanks to DSC, including additional comments from Lapierre about this year's LM race.
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Maybe next year, Nico.
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Here is a rather good shoot at the TS040's movable rear wing in action during the first lap of this year's 24h of Le Mans race. Movement of the rear wing back from the low-drag position to the high-drag position upon braking before the second chicane on the Hunaudières straight is rather clearly noticeable (unless my eyes are playing tricks on me…):
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Looks like Porsche's rear wing moves the same way. Maybe not as noticeable with the Blue Michelin logoing on the Toyota. On the run to Indianapolis it looks more like the camera angle is what blocks those Michelin stickers out of view.
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I would love to see evidence about this and get some sound technical explanation as to how Porsche's rear wing could ever move in a manner similar to what can be seen on the Toyota.
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You said you used your eyes, I used mine . The rear element of the wings looked like they both dipped at speed. Nothing "technical" about it.
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Nope. I dont have vision problems. I also dont have a one-sided view on this subject.
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It's clear there is a misunderstanding here. Yes TF110 there is a degree of apparent deflection introduced by the gradient of the track, changes in vehicle pitch, and camera angle on all 3 LMP1's. Despite this, Nigel's video points out the indisputable moving Toyota wing. |
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On the contrary what I'm trying to point out is that there is no dispute. Instead a simple misunderstanding. apparently yet again... |
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We have photographic and video evidence confirming the very noticeable movement of the TS040's rear wing, as well as a sound technical explanation as to what "mechanism" leads to this movement, thanks to Mike, Sam and Chris.
I don't see any similarly noticeable movement of the rear wing on the Porsche and it seems my eyes are not playing tricks on me, based on Articus' own assessment of the video. And I am not talking about a mere deflection. I am talking about a substantial and readily noticeable movement of the rear wing. There isn't any evidence that would comfort the view that the Porsche rear wing would move in any way similar to what the Toyota's does. Neither is there the slightest hint of a technical explanation that would comfort this view. So, arguing or suggesting that the Porsche rear wing also moves seems to be a rather lame attempt to try to mitigate the fact that Toyota are clearly using "movable bodywork parts/elements". |
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Some people here just like to make arguments out of nothing in order to defend their favorite team...
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