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Another new rule tweak that has not yet been mentioned.
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10 Oct 2011, 21:01 (Ref:2968887) | #1353 | ||
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Personally I find it strange that the LMP1 will not get the bigger and electronically adjustable rearview mirrors. The majority of the incidents this year has been caused by Audi drivers BTW Audi will be happy that they keep their bright LED headlights because the rearview mirrors of slower cars must be "equipped with a night mode". |
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10 Oct 2011, 21:09 (Ref:2968892) | #1354 | ||
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Actually, larger mirrors are possible for LMPs according to this article:
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...owed-for-2012/ LMP1 diesels will have a theoretical 6-7% power reduction, 5 liters less fuel, and all LMP1, -2, and -C cars will have the dorsal fin next year (as mentioned). And all LMP(?) and GT cars will have larger rearview mirrors and all GT cars must have a rearview monitor, which is optional for closed LMPs. It seems that this article only covers general terms, though, and there's probably more specific info elsewhere, but those seem to be the highlights. Last edited by chernaudi; 10 Oct 2011 at 21:19. |
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10 Oct 2011, 21:15 (Ref:2968896) | #1355 | |
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So everyone will have the rear-view monitor, some will have bigger mirrors.
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10 Oct 2011, 21:17 (Ref:2968898) | #1356 | ||
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Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if IMSA gives the ALMS runners favorable regulations at Sebring. The diesel cutbacks plus favorable ALMS regulations means someone like Cytosport (perhaps with an ARX-03a) can go in and give the diesels the business. How would Strakka feel about that if Cytosport have an advantage over them that allows their competitor with the same car to have an advantage? Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how this potentially all fails out! The LMP2 rule seems silly as well. I don't get it. So if a particular model (not just manufacturer it seems) isn't run in the WEC, it can't run in the LMS/Le Mans (and ALMS?)? Or can't run as cost-capped? What's the deal? Is the WEC trying to screw over the LMS and ALMS? And the chassis companies? Surely there isn't much interest in WEC LMP2 so this may be a way to get interest, but it just does not make a lot of sense. Is this another "Way to blow" ACO regulation? |
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10 Oct 2011, 21:26 (Ref:2968903) | #1359 | |
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There is still some confusion on this, but the ALMS said that the ALMS cars will run in a ALMS P1 class and the WEC cars will run in a WEC P1 class. So, the P1s could run to different rules. We will see how different they will be, but in theory the ALMS could allow their teams to make a charge for the overall win.
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10 Oct 2011, 21:27 (Ref:2968904) | #1360 | |
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Whatever, but Plassart contradicted it => http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...76#post2966676
Different classes or not but it would be the most nonsensical thing ever with LMP regs. |
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10 Oct 2011, 21:28 (Ref:2968905) | #1361 | ||
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And does anyone really think that the diesels will have reduced range or power if they decide to run hybrid systems on their cars? I think that it will do very little, as with the last gen cars the ACO tried to take away 10% power in '09 and the cars were faster than ever at Sebring and in '10 (after another attempt at a 5% power reduction) were faster than ever in race trim at Le Mans.
I think that either the ACO did this to reduce the pace that the factory cars will get faster (making them do R&D work to maintain the current pace vs them being that much faster next year), or they know that the hybrid systems on the diesel will likely open up a different can of worms. And these rules may favor Audi, because we have to remember why they went with the V10 in the R15--it's lighter and smaller, and was designed knowing about the power cuts that were coming. You'd have to believe that Audi knew that power cuts were coming for '12 without a doubt. |
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As far as reducing the speed of the diesels as a preemptive measure, maybe, but then why not slow everyone down the same? It seems like only the diesels are being punished for doing homework if that is the case. |
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10 Oct 2011, 21:45 (Ref:2968920) | #1364 | ||
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Diesels had a huge top speed advantage in Le Mans. Remember the highest top speed was around 340 km/h for diesel powered LMP1s, 320 km/h for petrol powered LMP1s and 300 km/h for LMP2s. This discrepancy is being addressed with the 2012 rules. |
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10 Oct 2011, 22:06 (Ref:2968948) | #1366 | ||
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I don't get your point. The ACO/FIA is addressing the fact that diesel powered cars have an unfair performance advantage. |
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10 Oct 2011, 22:09 (Ref:2968953) | #1367 | |
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Judging from the previous discussions on this subject, AGD thinks there is no advantage.
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10 Oct 2011, 22:17 (Ref:2968959) | #1368 | |
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Okay, so AGD believes that the ACO and FIA experts who had access to detailed telemetry logs (including accelerating times) and the secret real-life power/torque number from the engine manufacturers, are completely incompetent.
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And , these rules are not the end result , yet . Another meeting on the 21 November . So , dont lets get too excited .
So , with this set of rules , the ACO admit that they made a balls of it for the last few years ? Dont see the point of a fin on the LMPC cars as they are on a par with GT right now . We will see speeds increasing with hybrid . The porpose is to get to top end as fast as possible which will have the car at top end for longer . And then their trying to drop the speeds ..... Im confused . Agree with the monitor in GT ..... I can see Sebring on the list , but maybe not Road Atlanta . But they do say a minimum of 6 races , and that leaves the exact number open at this stage of the game . The world is a big place to justify 2 races in America . Except America is a big market . Not sure what to think about that . Dont like the double points for Le Mans . |
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All these complaints are quite silly IMO. Engines designed for the Juan Barazi's of the world aren't good enough to beat $100m programs from Audi and Peugeot? Well no sh!t Sherlock! |
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10 Oct 2011, 23:00 (Ref:2968979) | #1375 | |
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A. The WEC grid should refelct Le Mans and P2 is an integral part with interesting chassis/engine combinations.
B. If a team requires a major media profile they need to be in the WEC/ALMS. If they need to compete in Europe to fit around the owner/drivers business commitments, for budget reasons, or simply to gain more experience, the LMS is the arena for them. |
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