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If this is true why does TCR and BTCC homologation use a full-scale wind tunnel?! The idea that the ATCC organisers know something that other touring car categories do not, is with all due respect, dubious. |
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Oh & the "more effectively" point relates to Supercars in Australia (which of course is what this topic, thread and discussion board is all about) - IF Supercars was based in a country with ready availability of suitable wind tunnels, maybe it would take a different approach - but it isn't and it doesn't. |
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First meeting of the season and already controversy happens. Seems to be a very minor breach of the rules, but sadly someone else felt the need to protest it
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I would be interested to see the safety test for all drivers to get out of their Gen3 race cars inside the FIA/CAMS allotted timeframes…
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Certainly doesn't help when Supercars produce the "show" - Skaife and Yates absolutely ripped SVG post race, where as in the NRL (where FOX does the media) the commentators may have been more sympathetic to SVG |
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Remember when the motor racing was commentated by just a sports commentator form the TV network, they would get in an ex-driver or someone for some comments on the day. Next weekend he was doing football or the netball or swimming.
The Gen 3 looks fragile, bodywork looks very light and moves around with very little impact. Tyre bundles will love them " Black flag lose body work" Gen 3 or GT3 without the aero. Rear bumpers seem a weak spot. Question, has the Gen 3 chassis been crash tested? I'm pretty sure the Gen 2 cars were crash tested. I Think I can remember reading something about it at the time. Didn't sound like it handled the crash as well as expected from MS comments about the new engine cradle not holding up. Cradle looks very light for the job it is intended to do. |
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Quite why people expect Gen3 to be a perfect car in every respect from day 1 is beyond me. I can't recall any serious racing car where that was the case. |
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I think Gen3 is a nice upgrade so far. Definitely safety is as good as before. So far it's been a good start to the new era. It's settling in nicely
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16 Mar 2023, 06:57 (Ref:4147247) | #1387 | |
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I don't think anyone is expecting there not to be any teething problems, but in saying that there is an expectation for the new car to hit the ground running. This is not Supercars first rodeo, and the teams are touted as the best in the business, up there with the best in the world. Well, that's what Supercars like to tell everyone. With that comes a level of expectation. A little like Boeing building planes. The wing falls off their new plane, that would be way more accepted in 1923 than it would be today. The higher you lift the bar the higher the expectations. Design faults are not teething problems.
Crash test VE in 08. Not a Pace chassis. I'm not sure how you could make a statement that the Gen 3 is as safe as the Gen 2? the Gen 2 is a proven chassis. It sounds like the Courtney car may have a bent chassis from a very no nothing hit. There has been a lot of weight and mass removed from the Gen 3 chassis. Supercars wanted a lighter car, the savings had to come from somewhere. Google it and have a look. |
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16 Mar 2023, 19:15 (Ref:4147327) | #1389 | |
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Probably why you will not buy a spaceframe car from your local dealer. Great racecar platform, until you hit something.
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Most exotic sportscars, apart from McLarens and Alfa Romeo 4Cs, are aluminium spaceframes. It allows for the most production flexibility I suppose. That doesn't preclude fitting relatively conventional chassis rails in the front and rear, however. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 17 Mar 2023 at 06:30. |
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Don't get why it's such a big deal if one or even both of the cars isn't being made anymore. The days of people buying cars because they see it on the race track are long gone and these cars have nothing to do with their road counterparts other than the shape.
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Consistency is another factor. You either race cars based on road cars or not - what Supercars will have is a.... "unique" mix of the two |
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I also don't get why people who are TCR fans worry about this so much. Many of the cars running around in TCR are old shapes. Mk7.5 Golf is from 2016, Cupra would be similar age, and I'm sure there's plenty more. Sure there's a facelifted version of that car around but either way a Camaro you can't buy new anymore is cooler and something I want to see race more than a Lynk and Co you can't buy anyway. |
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Supercars stakeholders have also previously said they didn’t want the series to look like a “used car lot” referring to running old unsold models How long after this year will “Chevrolet Racing” be a thing in Australia running the old Camaro? |
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Presumably the commercial guys are working overtime behind the scenes to try and rope in one or two more manufacturers?
Nissan or Toyota I guess are the most obvious targets as both have big v8 coupes they could use and are well known locally? |
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If the public were that bothered they would be supporting TCR in droves. They're not so whatever the money behind SuperCars might want or say it's irrelevant and just shows how out of touch they are. After all the best selling "cars" in Australia (and most countries) these days are SUV's, 4x4s and pickup trucks. The public doesn't care about cars anymore.
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It seems logical to include the turbocharged six cylinder Nissan Z and Toyota Supra as they are the direct competitors to the Ford Mustang, though the Lexus LC500 or RCF are certainly great vehicles. Quote:
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The ATCC offers little to engage the enthusiasm of Alfitsis & Tifosi, Honda enthusiasts, Renault enthusiasts etc, unlike Formula One or TCR. If I was the organiser of the Adelaide 500, I would consider making the ATCC a support category and bringing in FIA WEC as the headline race with a 6 hour race. I imagine hosting fees are much more reasonable than Formula One. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 25 Mar 2023 at 21:37. |
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It's not far off becoming the GRM show like S5000, which is a concern. Let's see if they can get more than 20 entries in one of them once they are in a mainland round. |
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