2006 Australian GT Championship (amongst other things GT)

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by RS500

Only the new model Competition Coupe has been made to run with in the rules of GT3. The vipers here have been labelled as "ACR" instead of "GTSR" the main difference between them was the hp and brakes.

And about 400kg's

[RS500]

racer originally the corvette wasn't homologated due to the whole "mongrel" thing.

How much approx were the 430 challenge's? I thought some one said that they were around $400,000 (but couldn't find where) The Aston Martin DB9RS cost around $430,000 so getting something like this on the grid in Australia may not be far out of the question.

Does anyone know what exactly the GT2 road version means?

[Chucky]

No GT2R's or Porsche Motorsport monsters. In other words, a hot rodded road car.

A 430CH was about 340K I believe. The price isn't that bad, in context, we've had up to half a dozen or so 360CH's brought in when they were new so why can't it be done again. Big thing against an Aston won't be the price tag but the back up available.

[RS500]

No GT2R's or Porsche Motorsport monsters. In other words, a hot rodded road car.

At the Eastern Creek round last year when the GT2R was running with the other front runners, It had a faster exit from the corners but was slower down the straights which allowed the GT3 cup cars to keep up with it. Turbo cars are easy to slow down if they are to fast, just lower the boost and this will alter the performance, surely this can be applied to the GT2R's. After all they managed to slow the Viper and Diablo down for the GT3 cup to keep up with.

[Silver 3]

Porsche 996 GT2 with the R designation is a homologated FIA GT car. Statement of fact. From the outset those wanting to make the decisions relating to GT series sought to exclude it.Primarily at Porsche instigation that they wanted only Cup Cars(initially GT 3 R ,RS etc were also excluded-later changed) to be included for reasons well covered in these forums.Porsche's reasoning was/is entirely based around their commercial interests. Too many are prepared to throw out the "red herrings" everytime these cars are discussed.The fact is that it affected 1 competitor immediately and at least 3 other cars under construction only serves to emphasize the ill-conceived direction taken. Cams attitude(and many of you here) is "so what" if a "few" people have the huge investment wiped out overnight and get patted on the head and sent off to"invest" another500K in another race car.The same goes for the BMW -- lets face it--if a class system had been created -- and a decision made to go to a narrower definition in 3/4/5 years -- all this could have been avoided. To highlight that point-- some of the cars- Viper,360GT etc are not strictly eligible which leaves what--- at some meetings 1 Cup Car! The point that is galling in all this is that what was allowed to run was selectively chosen -- no ryme or reason- just what the organisers thought would help them justify their position.

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by Silver 3

Porsche 996 GT2 with the R designation is a homologated FIA GT car.

A clarification on the "statement of fact"

"Porsche 996 GT2 with the R designation is a homologated FIA GT2 car."

Anyone spot the difference?

And excluding it is wholely in line with the categories intended path toward GT3 so what's the problem?

[Silver 3]

Originally Posted by Chucky

A clarification on the "statement of fact"




And excluding it is wholely in line with the categories intended path toward GT3 so what's the problem?

Chucky- which part of what I have said in numerous posts is not a problem?Do not bother to answer - my question is rhetorical.I am not going to answer your question in respect of all contributors here and who do read what is posted.

[Chucky]

You seem to be grinding an axe over the recent demise of the Steven's GT2.

Too the point where any hint of an opening in which to open up that old wound is an invitation to you to start prattling on about it again.

[racer69]

Silver 3 - The whole Stevens/Porsche GT2 issue is pointless now that Stevens has got himself a 430 Challenge, he can't have been that p!ssed with the category all in all can he?

[RS500]

The reason i put the question forward is that i have heard where the stevens GT2 has gone and what the team has done and is planning. I will ay something in the near future as i know they are planning on coming out in the near future.

[Chucky]

Yeah, so much for people not being able to afford the upgrade!

I'm glad he saw the light and bought a proper sports car anyway. One with the engine in the correct place.

[Silver 3]

[QUOTE=Chucky]No GT2R's or Porsche Motorsport monsters. In other words, a hot rodded road car.

What is a GT3 Cup or R? 360 Challenge? Viper? Honda??? Lambo???? Mustang?
At what point do you actually think before you put something in print.It all goes to show the absoloute inconsistency of thinking-- of all who rationalise.

[Silver 3]

Originally Posted by RS500

racer originally the corvette wasn't homologated due to the whole "mongrel" thing.
n.

Does anyone know what exactly the GT2 road version means?

Chucky -just to be really clear-- I was responding to this post. That is someone raised the issue.The answer is is this-- RS is referring to something he saw in the rules for APDC cars(I presume) which can then run in GT series. Legit question , which I was trying to answer. Worded that way to exclude Stevens car, - nice eh?
It was a belated alteration that came after the horse had bolted.

[RS500]

RS is referring to something he saw in the rules for APDC cars(I presume) which can then run in GT series.

yeah i was trying to figure out what exactly was a road version and why they ruled out the GT2R when a street version could be built up to be just as fast.

No timing available from today, anyone go down there?

[Chucky]

[QUOTE=Silver 3]

Originally Posted by Chucky

No GT2R's or Porsche Motorsport monsters. In other words, a hot rodded road car.

What is a GT3 Cup or R? 360 Challenge? Viper? Honda??? Lambo???? Mustang?
At what point do you actually think before you put something in print.It all goes to show the absoloute inconsistency of thinking-- of all who rationalise.

Sigh.......

GT2
360GT
Diablo GTR (sort of)

GT3 (loosely)
GT3Cup
GT3RS
Viper (in the state the local ones are in)
360 Challenge
Elise

Nowhere
Honda
Mustang

I base this mostly on the mods I have observed and the weights/restrictions they run to.

[Chucky]

Was anything running?

[Silver 3]

Originally Posted by Chucky

Was anything running?

Starts today-- Friday for practice.

[RS500]

yeah sorry got myself confused and thought that yesterday was friday

[D.R.T.]

Simonsen returning in the 360 GT has added that something extra to this weekends 4th Round.

Between Crick, Simonsen, Wall, Washington, Koundouris and maybe even Russell (after his win last year at PI) we should one heck of a stoush brewing.

[D.R.T.]

Qualifying Results

1 Allan Simonsen Ferrari 360 GT 1:35.5093
2 Greg Crick Viper GTS ACR 1:35.6222
3 Bryce Washington Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:35.7806
4 James Koundouris Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:36.6863
5 David Wall Porsche GT3 RSR 1:37.0757
6 Stuart Kostera Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:37.4721
7 John Kaias Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:37.5686
8 David Stevens Ferrari 430 Challeng 1:37.9467
9 D'Arcy Russell Viper GTS ACR 1:38.2488
10 Max Twigg Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:38.5007
11 John Teulan Ferrari 430 Challenge 1:38.9776
12 Damien Flack Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:39.0751
13 Neil Byson Ferrari 360 Challenge 1:39.3163
14 Sven Burchartz Porsche GT3 1:39.3429
15 Ian Palmer 1:40.8303
16 Greg Ward Porsche GT3 Cup Car 1:40.9357
17 Geoff Munday Ford Mustang 1:55.0277

[RS500]

Looks like its going to be a good battle for the lead again like the first round with the times so close. Once the 430 has a bit of development I'm sure it will be closer to the 360GT at the front of the field

Interesting to see Crick didn't go out on the track until qualifying.
Is the Stuart Kostera in the PHR scuderia car the Former CAMS board member and current PHR scuderia manager or his son the ex formula ford driver?

[D.R.T.]

Not sure, but whoever he is, he's doing something right.

[pete55]

He is Stuart Kostera the second. I think Stuart Jnr has something to do with Dunlop. Stuart Senior used to race big banger Sports Cars in the 70's in WA mainly but also Nationally. Stuart Jnr did race FF. I'm not sure if Stuart Snr's name is spelt Stuart or Stewart. I think Stuart Snr used to race a Ph3 GT-HO in the 70's also.

[Richard Craill]

It's Stuart Jr... Maher is concentrating on the F3 car this weekend and has given the 911 to Stuart to have a steer.. and he's done it well so far.

Keep in mind that the F430s are still in Challenge spec, not GT3 Spec. They have front and rear wings on the way for the next round to give them some downforce. Stevens said it was "Interesting" over Lukey in it's present configuration.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Richard Craill

It's Stuart Jr... Maher is concentrating on the F3 car this weekend and has given the 911 to Stuart to have a steer.. and he's done it well so far.

Question for Richard - do you know if PHR still have the BMW GTR ?