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3 Jun 2012, 00:11 (Ref:3084080) | #1451 | ||
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It's got nothing to do with proprietry information.
I suspect Greg Murphy knows about as much about Mike Pero's business secrets as I do. It doesn't mean we'll see Murph on the next Adam Parore commercial. Likewise, there probably isn't anything proprietry Andy Booth is going to give away if the team have the fridge stocked with Jack Daniels. Why? Because both guys are being paid to promote a brand. Which, whether or not it's spelt out in the contract, for me means you don't promote the direct opposition. To be fair, although uncommon there are ad agencies that look after multiple competitive brands, but the teams working on those are generally kept very seperate and they're generally the bigger agencies that have long track records and are chosen because they offer expertise that is of rare quality. This may be an unfair to Jono, but my understanding is that he's a race car driver who happens to be pretty handy on twitter.... Not a social media professional of such track record and rare quality that the cross over is necessary to play the size game that the brand is after. Again, not a criticism of Jono. Just a situation that, I don't think would have generated any debate in the businesses I've worked in. Last edited by Chappelli; 3 Jun 2012 at 00:16. |
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In saying that, my contract doesn't specifically state what constitutes a conflict. It's just common sense that if you're identifiable and your promoting one brand, you don't get into a situation where your seen to be promoting or showing preference for the competitor. So when you say 'it's no different to any business out there' I presume it's not like your industry (which is?) because it's actually exactly like my business and the vast majority of the media and ad industry. |
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4 Jun 2012, 03:21 (Ref:3084873) | #1453 | ||
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Everyone is presuming that Joe Public actually gives a ****
With limited dicressionary spending they'll vote with their wallet for the event that suits their needs/desires. Some here are thinking that the great unwashed will be basing their decision on 'Jono Who?' - (sorry Jono but I think YOU'RE smart enough to grasp my point, if in fact you ever come here...) Last edited by Woolley; 6 Jun 2012 at 12:43. Reason: Autocensor dodge, and not even subtle. Don't. |
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4 Jun 2012, 23:21 (Ref:3085369) | #1454 | |
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OK I've read all the info and whilst I agree with the Jono has a conflict of interest there is 2 things that I see
1 Jono is not the face of NZV8's he just pushes buttons behind the scenes 2 Why would ST want Jono in the class, If Jono does in fact have a new NZV8 drive I think that it is in ST best interest to not have Jono in a car because if he wins the Enduro he legitimizes the drivers in the NZV8's as being as good as ST drivers because one of them won the enduros. With MNZ seemingly freezing out the support classes of ST, ST needs to make sure that they keep the brand strong and do no cross selling to the NZV8 class. People like Edgell, Fogg and Evans need to have drives in ST not NZV8 to keep the peoples mind in one place. |
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5 Jun 2012, 00:09 (Ref:3085387) | #1455 | ||
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At the end of the day, this is not war, religion or politics with life and death struggles, it's a motor racing series. In the grand scheme of the world and all it's problems it means nothing. From a driver's perspective, if people in the biz want to lock horns over territory and battle it out, go for it, otherwise a driver is there to drive. Any professional driver worth their salt is going to take every opportunity they can to race and drive a variety of cars and of course further their career. I think people are taking themselves way too seriously and the best way I can describe this whole drama is "Pole Vaulting over a Mouse Turd". |
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5 Jun 2012, 03:37 (Ref:3085417) | #1457 | |
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Big shame really as it ultimately is only a few people on both sides who are driving the hate and the sport in general is way bigger than that..............if i was going to give a youngster like jono any advice it would be accept your drives and do a good job and if the political heat turns up relating to your part time job--well there's plenty of others out there "but your a long time retired as a race driver'
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5 Jun 2012, 04:49 (Ref:3085423) | #1458 | ||
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Most of us now know this topic will never be resolved, because there are two very strong yet different thoughts on the subject. Lets hope it will die a natural death and we can get on and talk about something more interesting, like motor racing perhaps. It will remain like an open wound if people keep on going on about it and it will never be put to rest. |
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It isn't up to ST. It is up to the franchise owner - in this case ST Marketting chappie/Director/whatever JMac.
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5 Jun 2012, 21:55 (Ref:3085927) | #1460 | ||
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First point yes it's up to the team, but the ST director in Johnny Mac is the team owner in this case and could pull the party line Mclauglan did not drive in NZV8 last season. Fogg won the championship and left which devalues the championship in my book, now if he goes back and drives a new Toyota in the NZV8's that will be different The old NZV8's from what I have heard will have there own Championship to run for at tier one meeting. But after all this I was trying to play the devils advocate after so many have said why would NZV8 let the marketing internet guru Mr Lester drive in ST, I took the view of why would ST want Mr Lester drive in the ST This is not really about Jono who is a nice guy who has done well in a number of classes with out winning much, I think he will handle the clash of interest with out a problem. I hope he can find a series he can race in for 3 to 5 years and build up the speed because then he will win some of the Premier classes in NZ motorsport. |
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5 Jun 2012, 22:27 (Ref:3085949) | #1461 | ||
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Fog has stated that if he can find sponsorship he would run again in the NZV8's in the upcomming 12/13 season. I don't think you can say that he has de-valued the championship and left, he is just doing something in the off season which he is entitled to. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't even think Angus has ever been associated to MSNZ, he has allways been a driver for Hopper Racing, International Motorsport and Strapping Products (KW), I don't believe him or K Williams have burn't any bridges with MSNZ but that is just my perspective. As at yesterday afternoon, a discussion that I had with a motorsport offical, Jono Lester is still doing the MSNZ thing so they can't be that bothreed by it. I do not know the ST view on it but they would have all known about Jono's appointment prior to this round and I believe Petch & Anderson & Pederson etc would have all known about Jono's inclusion as i think the drivers have to be on an official register to drive a ST or its prototype. |
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5 Jun 2012, 23:33 (Ref:3085984) | #1462 | ||
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Please explain to me how you arrived at your decision that both of these poster are correct, about when McLauglan last drove in the NZV8 series. Icarus says he drove in last seasons series and Flyingduck says he didn't, I know he drove in the 2010/2011 series only. So how can you say they are both be correct, when last season was 2011/2012 and not 2010/2011. |
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6 Jun 2012, 00:48 (Ref:3085999) | #1463 | |
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As Motorsport Fans lets be honest.... The V8 Supertourers at HD in the weekend provided some of the best racing we've seen in NZ for a very long time. It was bloody amazing. In comparison to the dismal and pathetic NZV8 fields over summer it was fantastic. Which brings me to the ongoing conflict between ST & MSNZ, it needs to be resolved. MSNZ need to wake up and put the interests of the fans and clubs first instead of their own ego's... Their unprofessional and selfish conduct has been woefully irresponsible. So my challenge to MSNZ is this... Have the courage to sort it out.
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Therefore this season 2011/2012 (& the title of this thread) McLaughlan did not race. Last season 2010/2011 he did. It all depends if you count the 2011/2012 season as "this" season, or as "last" season. Open to enturperation, but as the thread is still titled 2011/12 discussion then I deem it to still be that season. |
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Your absolutely correct On_to_it... The TV coverage is getting better and better. I watched the racing on MySky Sunday night and was glued to my telle for 3 hours... it was fantastic .. The racing is even better than what Supercars are delivering at the moment. What worries me is that little old NZ can't afford two V8 Classes and the prolonged conflict between NZV8 & ST is no good for anybody... If MSNZ had motorsport interests and the fans interests at heart we would not be in this situation...I suggest Harris, Fine, Fowlke and Tulloch put their own self interests aside and start thinking of the us.. The Fans, because without our support they don't have a mandate to govern.
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should the tier 1 series also end? i'm pretty sure ST don't want to run a compact series other the summer.. such is our tier 1 format. which would probably also kill TRS.. as it wouldn't suit the overseas hotshots filling the TRS grids. if St want to do their own thing.. good on them but there's no need for them to have their own cake.. and eat it.. and eat everyone's elses too. |
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As I've said before - I don't believe ST has any interest in running championship classes. The challenge in front of MSNZ is to ensure the costs of competing are contained, the classes are relevent, the grids are full and people want to see them. All classes. Not just one. |
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Ive watched this series and yeah some races are pretty good.. at best, but most other times, its so flat and unexciting that I find myself watching days of our lives or reruns of the Antiques Roadshow. |
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days of our lives and the antiques roadshow are boring, comparing these programs to NZ Motorsport? LOL!
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surely MNZ-who actually have one or two smart people employed will wake up soon and attempt to put the sport first and sort it out. we need V8St (minus the boss) spearheading tier 1 with maybe nzv8(remember the structure is quite different) as a main support along with TRS as the big three with a rotating support program and all of a sudden we have big time nz motorsport Back.......... MSP in it 's current form CAN NOT run this series...probably outside nuetral help required.....lets face it the right program will sell itself and needs marketing guidence to reach a bit further. As it is v8st IS going to emplode at some point with current management and NZV8 is just going to......umm...go nowhere really.... |
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