Driver Vettel vs Webber: Round 2 - Page 6

**Bononi** · 3 Apr 2010, 21:42 (Ref:2666160)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Fair play to Mark today, made the best decision on tyres in difficult conditions. Can't wait for the race

Can't wait for the FIRST CORNER !!!!!!

OZ_HCR32 · 4 Apr 2010, 03:54 (Ref:2666236)

Watching some 2008 races, alongside Vettel at STR knowing what we know now i dont think Bourdais was really doing too bad a job. He had some excellent results. His results were not overly different to Webbers when alongside Vettel, i think quali he actually did a little better then Webber

All set of today, just hope the weather isnt sooo bad the race is shortened

Peat · 5 Apr 2010, 19:35 (Ref:2667269)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3-J9XtJCw

maximus · 5 Apr 2010, 20:24 (Ref:2667298)

How embarrassed does he look in that video!?

Mr V · 6 Apr 2010, 07:59 (Ref:2667463)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Can't wait for the FIRST CORNER !!!!!!

Bet that Mark can't wait to forget that first corner

Splatz the Cow · 6 Apr 2010, 08:26 (Ref:2667479)

Change thread title to Round 3?

Splatz the Cow · 6 Apr 2010, 08:29 (Ref:2667482)

Yeah, Mr V, Webber messed up that start again.

I was really glad to see them get through the first corner, safely.

In that way, I think Webber will be glad he gave up the fight for the first corner when he did, losing the battle to still be in with a chance to win the WDC.

**Born Racer** · 6 Apr 2010, 09:48 (Ref:2667518)

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Change thread title to Round 3?

It refers to the second season of comparison between the two drivers within their own thread, after last year's monster thread.

OZ_HCR32 · 6 Apr 2010, 11:30 (Ref:2667573)

I think this weekend was a better indicator of how close they are in performance. I think Vettel enjoys the edge, but thats all it really is, an edge (which is all it takes).

I know racing is not about ifs and buts and maybes, but Vettel has been supremely good and unlucky so far this year. But it would not have been a stretch for Webber to have won in Melbourne or at least got a podium if RBR had got their pit strategy right.

Just looking forward and hoping that RBR are all warmed up and ready to go racing for the remainder of rounds, i cant wait to see RBR take one or both of the championships

Mr V · 6 Apr 2010, 19:48 (Ref:2667858)

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Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

I think this weekend was a better indicator of how close they are in performance. I think Vettel enjoys the edge, but thats all it really is, an edge (which is all it takes).

I look at it like this, and i'm not just talking about Seb and Mark here, but when you have 2 team mates line astern, with the freedom to race, when the driver behind, at best is within 1.5 seconds, then down to 5 or so seconds behind, then the driver behind isn't quick enough, and the driver in front is usually driving within himself.

**GTRMagic** · 6 Apr 2010, 23:48 (Ref:2668000)

Who said RBR gave their pilots a 'freedom to race'?

The bloke furthest towards the front gets to pit first, gets the best of the strategy selection.. so the bloke in the following position will always get screwed..

OZ_HCR32 · 7 Apr 2010, 01:32 (Ref:2668021)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

I look at it like this, and i'm not just talking about Seb and Mark here, but when you have 2 team mates line astern, with the freedom to race, when the driver behind, at best is within 1.5 seconds, then down to 5 or so seconds behind, then the driver behind isn't quick enough, and the driver in front is usually driving within himself.

The internet, bring together people with different views of things ...

I hear you, but if you notice that Webber was within 1.5-2.0 seconds of Seb the whole first stint. More like 0.8-1.5 seconds for much of it, but lets call it 2 seconds...because the pit call came to look after the tyres by getting out of his dirty air.

In the pit stop Webber lost another 2 seconds to Vettel. For the next 10 or so laps Webber got it from 6 seconds to 4 seconds (remember that he came out after Hamo and that meant the gap went from around 4 seconds to about 6 seconds before Hamo pitted)

So, he got it back to around 4 seconds, partly because Vettel was just lapping and Webber ws going for the occassional fastest lap...

So if you look at it that way the only difference between the two guys this weekend was:

- Vettel got a great start to Webbers good start (he still beat Rosberg & Sutil to the first corner so wasnt a terrible start)

- Vettel / RBR pitted which resulted in him coming out jsut ahead of Hamo

- Webber / RBR pitted which resulted in him coming out just behind of Hamo, after a 2 or so second delay with a jammed gun

In my eyes the difference between them all weekend was about 300mtrs of turn 1 and 2 when Webber and Vettel played it as tough as fair team mates could

Mr V · 7 Apr 2010, 06:37 (Ref:2668050)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Who said RBR gave their pilots a 'freedom to race'?

The bloke furthest towards the front gets to pit first, gets the best of the strategy selection.. so the bloke in the following position will always get screwed..

Then surely its up to the bloke behind to go faster and overtake

I will concede that Mark was very unlucky with the wheel nut during his pit stop, but he still would have been behind Seb anyway.

johnh875 · 7 Apr 2010, 08:10 (Ref:2668099)

Yep, if Webber was to be any chance of jumping Vettel in the pitstop he had to be right on Vettel's tail (ie ~1sec back) when he pitted with speed up his sleeve. I don't think the jammed rattle gun made the difference, and overall I do agree with you OZ_HCR32 the first corner determined the result, after that there wasn't a realistic chance of passing on the track.

How things change though - last week it was driving too hard, this week not driving hard enough (into turn 1)!

wnut · 10 Apr 2010, 14:47 (Ref:2670100)

Face it on a scale of 1 to 10. the first corner of Malaysia would be 10 for Vettel and 0 or less for Webber! He had the first corner sewn up, nobody could have passed him if he stayed where he was and then he opened the door and invited Vettel through! Game over!

herowassenna · 14 Apr 2010, 03:01 (Ref:2672417)

Autosport's race report almost gives complete blame for his missing Vettel behind him to the widely placed mirrors giving no vision whatsoever.
What with Alonso's pirouette in Oz and Mark losing this GP, I wonder what difference the repositioned mirrors will make

wnut · 14 Apr 2010, 10:46 (Ref:2672559)

If I drew the defensive line through the first corner he was on it.
The line he went to would have been the fastest line through the corner.
Going there ... BIG MISTAKE.

Lack of racing experience, not used to having anybody close!
Vettel is still laughing I reckon.

Marbot · 14 Apr 2010, 10:59 (Ref:2672567)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Lack of racing experience, not used to having anybody close!

Webber seems to be getting himself into these 'close' situations more than any other driver, I would have thought?

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Originally Posted by wnut

Vettel is still laughing I reckon.

Vettel will still be smarting from the fact that Webber got pole plus fastest lap and he didn't.

**chunterer** · 14 Apr 2010, 11:13 (Ref:2672575)

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Originally Posted by wnut

He had the first corner sewn up, nobody could have passed him if he stayed where he was and then he opened the door and invited Vettel through! Game over!

Yes but he won't be doing that again. Things 'look' hunky dory between the drivers, but I can forsee Mark endulging in a bit of wheel banging with Seb if he doesn't get that season's first win under his belt before too long.

**Bononi** · 14 Apr 2010, 17:09 (Ref:2672735)

It would be great to see them figthing for the WDC... Nobody can't say that they don't have all the looks for a perfect drama, in and out of the track !

Mr V · 14 Apr 2010, 17:58 (Ref:2672756)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Vettel will still be smarting from the fact that Webber got pole plus fastest lap and he didn't.

For sure, but Mark will be smarting more that Seb got the win and he didn't.

wnut · 15 Apr 2010, 04:26 (Ref:2672944)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Yes but he won't be doing that again. Things 'look' hunky dory between the drivers, but I can forsee Mark endulging in a bit of wheel banging with Seb if he doesn't get that season's first win under his belt before too long.

That will nix his future employment at Red Bull!
Which will be a real pity because I think they have good chemistry!

**chunterer** · 15 Apr 2010, 09:11 (Ref:2673024)

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Originally Posted by wnut

That will nix his future employment at Red Bull!
Which will be a real pity because I think they have good chemistry!

Not necessarily.....

Horner and Mate****z will be looking to Mark to really perform to keep his place. They expect him just as well as Vettel to be chellenging for wins every round. Contact is an inevitable aspect of competitive, fairly evenly matched teammates.

hgmonaro · 15 Apr 2010, 23:10 (Ref:2673392)

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Originally Posted by wnut

That will nix his future employment at Red Bull!

SV stuffs it up the inside and takes MW out and it's going to be MW's fault eh?

wnut · 16 Apr 2010, 01:17 (Ref:2673413)

Sadly I think that Vettel is the team leader and even in this instance Webber would have to prove he couldn't avoid the contact. Probably would have been told to move over before it came to that. As long as Mark is supporting Seb and is close to him in the races I think his position is safe. Without taking anything away from Mark - who is very very good - I think that Vettel is probably the quicker of the two the moment. They also appear to make a very good team, but if you had to choose one over the other I think Mark would be the loser.

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