[Tech Issue] The Sound Of The V6 Turbo PU..

[Pingguest]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

What's good for F1 and what's good for the fans aren't necessarily the same thing.

I tend to disagree, because without a fan base Formula 1 can only exist for a very short time.

[Born Racer]

I like that they sound different from each other. The Ferrari sounds the best. The Renault lacks the whistling. Hear here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoIqWBCWamAThe Mercedes sounds aggressive.

I like how you can hear other sounds.

But I don't like the fact that I got on the bus the other day and the sound reminded me of an F1 car.

The V8 sounded flat, but I miss the harmonious singing note of the V10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjGI_TILzYI

The V10 sounded like an excited puppy that you've just let off the lead in the park for the first time.

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

I tend to disagree, because without a fan base Formula 1 can only exist for a very short time.

That's kinda what I said mate. The new engines might be "good" for F1, but they are bad for the fans... Just like moving to a PPV TV model, good for F1 perhaps, but really bad for the fans.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by andy666

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...at-engine.html

Talking of engine sounds , anyone had a go at this? Turns out I am not entitled to an opinion on the new power units , I scored 0/8 !

I'm glad I did this. Not only is it a good laugh, it proves my point. I got the three normally aspirated F1 cars and the Aston Martin correct... the others [including the Merc V6] I got wrong !

[Scooter185]

I like the sound of the new engines, while they may be quieter I like it better than the shrill of the V8 cars.

[miatanut]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I'm glad I did this. Not only is it a good laugh, it proves my point. I got the three normally aspirated F1 cars and the Aston Martin correct... the others [including the Merc V6] I got wrong !

Similar here. I got the NA F1 cars right, but ALL of the road cars wrong.

I guess I'm just not much of a Supercar fan.

I was hoping the would have Alfas & Porsches and stuff like that which I've heard a lot.

[Greem]

Go figure... I got all the supercars right, and the V8. But the V10, the V12 and the V6 mixed up.

Maybe I'll try it wearing ear defenders

[Teretonga]

It's all very interesting isn't it.
How things go in circles.
1961-65 we had 1.5 litre engines but really no one had much idea how to build one and by 1965 we had BRM, Ferrari and Coventry Climax building V8's and a Honda V12.
Then we got bigger engines so some teams bored out their 1.5 litre engines to 2 litres and ran them as interim F1 cars while they came to grips with the new engines like an H16, some V8's and V12's, some of which came from the 2.5 litre era some 7 years earlier.
In the second year Ford funded the Cosworth V8 and that became the default engine for everyone except Ferrari and Honda until Renault went down the turbo route seven or 8 years later...
So what if Renault had left? Ferrari and Mercedes would be it. Aren't they two of the teams that battled it out in 1955....?

[ASCII Man]

Originally Posted by andy666

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...at-engine.html

Talking of engine sounds , anyone had a go at this? Turns out I am not entitled to an opinion on the new power units , I scored 0/8 !

Good lord, I got 8/8...

[aki13]

Originally Posted by JamesH

I think they sound fine, not because of the sound they actually make, but because you can practically hear the technology involved.

The reason they are quiet is because a vast amount of the energy produced is converted in to motion. What is it? 30% less fuel to do the same distance at the same (or nearly the same) speed? That is a great technical achievement.

That's what I hear. The technology, not the noise.

Good post.

I agree, I think the amount of moaning about the sound is surprising to be honest.

I didn't think it was so important for so many. I guess I can understand it a little bit, I mean they are not quite so Mind blowing live maybe as the old engines.

However for me personally I think its a very small part of the F1 experience and actually quite like the fact you get to hear tyre screeching and more of the car being driven hard.

[aki13]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Good lord, I got 8/8...

Well done.

I got 6 out of 8.

I got all 4 of the F1 engines right.

I got the Bugatti Veron and Lambo correct but mixed up the Ferrari and Aston.

[andy666]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Good lord, I got 8/8...

Nice one ! I am still hanging my head in shame , I did not expect a high score but at least expected to get the DB9 correct as I hear one almost everyday ! I put the Veyron sound as the Merc V6

[JeremySmith]

So boys and girls this thread is about the V6 Turbo PU….

[miatanut]

But that was the most fun derail ever.

And it WAS nominally on topic.

[miatanut]

Originally Posted by wnut

I think you and miatanut will enjoy this too Davyboy.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the...st/index.shtml

I'm holding out for full-blown fuel cell.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

what will get the kids first is the sound.

I listened to a podcast with Allan McNish on it recently, and the conversation got round to the quieter engines of today.

He said that, fundamentally, being at a racetrack was still a loud experience. He takes his young son and, to the youngster, it is still really loud and he wants to he wears ear defenders. You have to remember that if you are a kid going to your first race today you won't have prior experience of the noise, after all.

He also said that motorsport needs to adapt and that we should get used to quieter engines due to environmental and curfew issues.

[Sodemo]

Its also the case that you never have as good hearing as you do as when you are a child. After about 10 years old your hearing ever so slightly deteriorates continuously.

[Knowlesy]

So what you are saying is the engines haven't actually got any quieter?

F1.

[andy666]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

So boys and girls this thread is about the V6 Turbo PU….

You are joking right ? How was that off topic ? The V6 turbo is included in the quiz ! I wonder why I bother posting sometimes .

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by davyboy

Looks like Jenson Button's on the FIA payroll as well.

"As drivers we don't have an opinion of where the cars are in terms of sound and feel."

What a load of corporate hogwash. Sorry Jenson, but drivers are enthusiasts too... they do have an opinion on these matters.

Do they? He is in a professional sport. The noise his car makes surely isn't a priority to him.

I don't recall many Audi LMP drivers having severe opinions on their diesel and hybrid cars either.

Vettel has an opposite opinion. Is it simply because he is mates with Bernie, then?

[bjohnsonsmith]

I watched some of First Practice last night and the cars sounded much better than at Melbourne, I think it might be something to do with microphone placement, in relation to the track.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Do they? He is in a professional sport. The noise his car makes surely isn't a priority to him.

I don't recall many Audi LMP drivers having severe opinions on their diesel and hybrid cars either.

Vettel has an opposite opinion. Is it simply because he is mates with Bernie, then?

Jenson said that he doesn't have an opinion and that no driver should have one. Vettel does have an opinion. My point is that drivers should have an opinion one way or the other... and that Jenson's corporate-squawk smells of something he's been paid to say. I'd have more respect for him if he came out and said that he prefers the new power train sound over its predecessor.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Here's an interesting turn of events, regarding the sound of the engines. Australian Grand Prix chairman Ron Walker has threatened Bernie with the prospect of legal action over this year’s quiet cars and raised the possibility of scrapping the F1 race in favour of IndyCar in 2015.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/mo...-1226866713277

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by davyboy

Jenson said that he doesn't have an opinion and that no driver should have one. Vettel does have an opinion. My point is that drivers should have an opinion one way or the other... and that Jenson's corporate-squawk smells of something he's been paid to say. I'd have more respect for him if he came out and said that he prefers the new power train sound over its predecessor.

OK, I have actually gone to see what Jenson actually said:

“Go and race something else if you are not happy.

As drivers we don’t have an opinion of where the cars are in terms of sound and feel.

When you cross the finish line first you have won a grand prix. You don’t care what it sounds like or what it looks like. You have beaten the best in the world and that is all you care about.”

Surely that qualifies as an opinion? Not caring about something doesn't mean he doesn't have an opinion. His opinion is that it makes no difference, which is quite correct once we stop crying and actually look at it.

This isn't as fundamental a problem for the sport as jelly-Pirellis, for example. In fact it is for the better as the V8s were contributing to the crushing dullness of previous years.

[fourWheelDrift]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Here's an interesting turn of events, regarding the sound of the engines. Australian Grand Prix chairman Ron Walker has threatened Bernie with the prospect of legal action over this year’s quiet cars and raised the possibility of scrapping the F1 race in favour of IndyCar in 2015.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/mo...-1226866713277

I think this is much less about his view of the sound or the "product" and much more about appearing to have attractive alternatives in order to drive the price down.