IMSA Race TUSC Round 2: The Mobil 1 12 Hours of Sebring - Page 6

Simmi · 14 Mar 2014, 21:01 (Ref:3378729)

That's quite a statement from Christensen. Only guy into the 58's.

SpikerJack · 14 Mar 2014, 21:03 (Ref:3378730)

Are GTE louder than f1 now? Just wondering.. 458 and C7r sounds are impressive...

carbon_titanium · 14 Mar 2014, 21:05 (Ref:3378731)

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Originally Posted by crooky

That's a shock is it not?

I remember this time last year they were getting gobbled up down the back straight.

Z4 is lightweight, runs unrestricted and has a something like GT3 rear wing (if is the same used at daytona). All this helps a lot in first and second sector, I'm not surprised of the pole achieved. Strangely Bruni ran 1 second slower than last year pole (marked by him).

Victor_RO · 14 Mar 2014, 21:06 (Ref:3378733)

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Originally Posted by SpikerJack

Are GTE louder than f1 now? Just wondering.. 458 and C7r sounds are impressive...

Aren't all LMP and GTE cars restricted to something like 115 dB? According to the FIA measurements F1 cars now are around 125-130 dB trackside, the old V8s were closer to 140 (from a safe distance away).

David Land · 14 Mar 2014, 21:10 (Ref:3378734)

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Originally Posted by SpikerJack

Are GTE louder than f1 now? Just wondering.. 458 and C7r sounds are impressive...

Oh easily. I think new the F1 is quieter than IndyCar and those cars are certainly quieter than the GTE cars.

FstrthnU · 14 Mar 2014, 21:17 (Ref:3378736)

PC Qualifying

Junquiera!

Edit: He STILL improves!

TF110 · 14 Mar 2014, 21:19 (Ref:3378738)

Imo Porsche has bs bop in GTE. How theyre still so lightweight after all the testing showing their pace is beyond me! But bmw is at least close with the Vettes right there a few tenths back. Hope P class is close(r).

David Land · 14 Mar 2014, 21:20 (Ref:3378739)

So what is the PC track record? Are they close to breaking it?

Also I love Greg Creamer over-prononcing all of the names! lol

carbon_titanium · 14 Mar 2014, 21:25 (Ref:3378741)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Imo Porsche has bs bop in GTE.

Since 2008

GriffM3 · 14 Mar 2014, 21:32 (Ref:3378743)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Imo Porsche has bs bop in GTE. How theyre still so lightweight after all the testing showing their pace is beyond me! But bmw is at least close with the Vettes right there a few tenths back. Hope P class is close(r).

Agreed the weight break is total rubbish. I still favor the BMW though, Rahal Letterman ahs been strong hear the last few years.

FstrthnU · 14 Mar 2014, 21:39 (Ref:3378746)

Wow, Olivier Pla vs. Sebasiten Bourdais! What a great battle! It's like they're in a whole different class!

So 3 P2s and 3 DPs in the top 6. FInally got the BoP sorted out.

David Land · 14 Mar 2014, 21:40 (Ref:3378747)

This is an amazing session. P2 vs DP in all its promised glory.

DistortedSmile · 14 Mar 2014, 21:42 (Ref:3378748)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Imo Porsche has bs bop in GTE. How theyre still so lightweight after all the testing showing their pace is beyond me! But bmw is at least close with the Vettes right there a few tenths back. Hope P class is close(r).

I'm sure a lot of the cars could've done 1:58s, I find it hard to believe that most of them are slower than last year.

TF110 · 14 Mar 2014, 21:51 (Ref:3378753)

Possibly the track conditions are slowing the gtlm's?

DistortedSmile · 14 Mar 2014, 22:10 (Ref:3378756)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Possibly the track conditions are slowing the gtlm's?

Either that or everyone was carrying huge bags of sand (Viper I'm looking at you).

HORNDAWG · 14 Mar 2014, 22:20 (Ref:3378758)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

Either that or everyone was carrying huge bags of sand (Viper I'm looking at you).

See attachment 2 on page 4, specifically article 2.1.10 .....

http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/fi...20%2314-33.pdf

L.P.

DistortedSmile · 14 Mar 2014, 22:26 (Ref:3378762)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

See attachment 2 on page 4, specifically article 2.1.10 .....

http://www.imsa.com/sites/default/fi...20%2314-33.pdf

L.P.

I'm going with track conditions then.

jasonjessica09 · 14 Mar 2014, 22:28 (Ref:3378763)

I somehow think that the GTLMs will run 1 min 59's during the race quite frequenlty.

Articus · 14 Mar 2014, 22:49 (Ref:3378769)

If there's one thing i've noticed in all the years. The BMW team cars always run qualy incredibly close together. So either a) they've actually maxed the potential of the car or b) they're running to a pace. I think it's the latter. I would hope the Viper was sandbagging.
I think Bruni was just playing it safe because he knows the team cannot afford another mistake.

Articus · 14 Mar 2014, 22:52 (Ref:3378770)

Update: Word is Bruni couldn't apply full throttle? and he pulled a 1:59. I have no doubts a healthy Ferrari and Bruni would have been on pole...

JHamilton · 14 Mar 2014, 23:00 (Ref:3378771)

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Originally Posted by joeb

did you upgrade your truck?

Thank you. No , mine barely classifies as a truck here.

chernaudi · 15 Mar 2014, 00:28 (Ref:3378795)

For reference, pole time this year of the AXR DP was a 1:51.9. That's nearly 8.5 seconds slower than the official track record set least year by the Audi R18 last year in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wjIQuKMdwI

Shows the difference between a LMP1 and a BOP'd DP/ACO LMP2 combo in the Prototype class. The Audi R18 had tons more downforce, more torque (diesel power, remember), somewhat more HP than a current DP, a more trick suspension system, huge tires and wheels front and rear and was a factory developed car. LMP2s and DPs have less power (LMP2s for sure have a lot less HP than the LMP1 Audi), significantly narrower wheels and tires, and are customer oriented cars.

Of course, the Audi running on Michelin tires designed for it that were 36/71cmx18in front and 37/71cmx18 rear, and 14.75x18 front and 14.5x18 rear wheels would alone give more grip than the spec Continental tires on 12.5x18 front and 13x18 rear wheels.

Shows how much a different animal that a 2013 factory LMP1 is from the more customer car oriented TUSCC Prototype class, and mind that the new Audi R18 in testing was turning the same lap times that the older car did last year in race trim in spite of narrower wheels and tires and a 4 inch narrow suspension track width.

Completely different creatures are the pace setters in Prototype this year vs last year.

**joeb** · 15 Mar 2014, 00:31 (Ref:3378796)

What was last year's P2 pole?

chernaudi · 15 Mar 2014, 00:51 (Ref:3378802)

Level 5 HPD ARX-03: 1:51.159

This year's pole speed is off that by about .8 of a second. DP's are less agile than the LMP2s and LMP2s ran on Michelin rubber last year (though they were just warmed over LMPC tires) vs the Conti tires this year.

nkoske · 15 Mar 2014, 01:23 (Ref:3378804)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Imo Porsche has bs bop in GTE. How theyre still so lightweight after all the testing showing their pace is beyond me! But bmw is at least close with the Vettes right there a few tenths back. Hope P class is close(r).

This is why I absolutely hate bop. No matter what happens, someone is going to complain the person at front has an advantage. How is any win real?

The top 6 cars are within 0.3 sec... yeah totally not fair. Cheaters.

How much closer could they possibly get? What results will make you think everything is fair? I know, every car should turn the exact same lap down to .001 sec... totally possible.

Do we really want this year to be like the AMR v. Corvette Racing GT1 year where bop was traded back and forth every race?

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