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I cannot imagine the Rockenfeller and McNish accidents with this car. I hope Don gets bored and this ends up just like the Abruzzi.
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What a complete waist of good resources to make a proper racing car for Le Mans... my bet would be the GreenGT Hydrogen LMP!
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He was listed as marketing consultant. I don't think he is putting money in, but he seems to be allowing it to run in at least one ALMS race. I guess for the correct amount, it would be in the lead on the Sebring poster.
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I tell ya, having been to bike week far too many times: Harley engine, fishtail exhausts, flames painted on the sides. Oh, and go with the single front tire, make it a trike. Certified hit.
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Struggle to see how it's going to really work as a racecar - being narrow at the front and wide at the rear to the extent the design is tends to be broadly unstable when being leaned on into corners - much better to be wide at the front and narrow at the rear from a stability point of view.
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I'm wondering which brave souls will agree to take on the testing and development work with this thing. A real voyage into the unknown to say the least. Not sure they will have drivers kicking down their door but I could be wrong.
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Wow, with the kind of funding promoting this idea, I can see how it got this far.
The extended front wheelbase compensates for the narrowing of the front track. Firestone actually put together tires for the windtunnel by modifying existing molds to make the new tires. That worked for the tunnel apparently, but those tires were not designed as they were for side loading I don't believe. Who is going to build the tires for the delta thing? Use of REAMS, design concepts proven only in theory, need for specialized tires (if only on the front), there are a lot of things that need to happen in a very short time here. The Aston P1 has proven thus far to be a total dud, and attention and blame seems to be focused on the severely shortened timeline to get that car running, and it used current technology pretty much across the board, just packaged in slightly different ways-and it is not working. Certainly a car using quick recharge battery or whatever technology, or fuel cells would face many of the same daunting developmental challenges, but would seemingly be developing technology that is marketable in the industry. Heck, put REAMS use on their briefs. No, I do not like the looks of the delta thing, but I have to admit to being fascinated. I don't want it in sportscar racing, but, I would like to see it run. There are proving grounds for that and plenty of video and print outlets for the results. |
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If ACO is open to things that don't comply with the limitations on current rules, let me or anyone else enter a car with any design we want. No weight limits, we can use any engine with no formulas designed to make one setup superior to all the rest (like penalizing gasoline cars to further ensure that only the Audi or Peugeot diesels can win), all that jazz. The reason they won't is because someone in that instance could come around and actually win when they're not supposed to, in this example they know the DeltaWing is a mistake that's been somewhat redesigned for a new purpose, and therefore can't compete, so it won't embarass the big companies that spend all the money, but it allows the ACO to throw out the BS statement that "they're forward thinking". Also, if Panoz is behind this, where's this money coming from considering how broke the ALMS is? Last edited by Flyin Ryan; 17 Jun 2011 at 14:22. |
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As said, with a 34mm WRC restrictor about 320-330bhp, unrestricted 550+bhp, but that's in short rallycross events.
Pipo Moteurs tune Fords engines. http://www.pipo-moteurs.com/ Last edited by JAG; 17 Jun 2011 at 16:52. |
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Please make this nightmare go away.
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I can't quite work out whether people care whether the DW races or not, or if this is just another piece of the political game that is bogging down US road racing.
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Perhaps for some it is, but I really don't see what the point of this thing is. I agree with the stuffed bear on this one. The goals of this program could have been achieved in more conventional ways. I also don't see the road relevance of this thing. Anyway, it just seems like the Sausagemobile people were desperate to get this thing racing somewhere, Don was looking for a paycheck, and thus strings were pulled to get this thing to Le Mans.
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As an oval only racer I could see something special and cool here but outside of that, it deserves to be melted - following all the stated arguments. Cheers fellas
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The indycar thing would have involved what, 15 or so of these, so potential money maker which would seem to justify the hoopla going on now with electronic billboards in Time's Square and being rushed out to all racing and auto related bloggy type things, as well as regular media. I am going to deduce that building just one of these isn't the plan, but step one in replacing something like FLM or some stand alone series? |
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This delta thing seems like a flim flam artist's training project, I don't see what the purpose is at all, nor why any financial commitment has been made. At this point I am sure it is not that much. What bothers me is it seems it is the 56th garage entry, taking away the possibility from other projects that would have much more merit. Also, I really hope this thing does not harm the good name of Dan Gurney, who has a great history as a driver, constructor and entrant. I would hate to see him get mucked by this ridiculous thing, he deserves a lot better! |
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