360MRC, next time (2011) - Discussion re Car Eligibility etc

[johngee]

Originally Posted by midgetman

If you want it to be for the impecunious, which I would have though was very important, elligibility needs very careful rules

The problem with framing regulations (particularly in a public forum) Max, is that everyone will give you advice.....which surprisingly just happens to favour what they intend to enter!!!!

[andy97]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitstop

I am quite happy with the regulations as they are, so am happy if they are not changed. I would also be happy if they changed to allow a K series Metro to race, as this is the cheapest thing I can find that may last 6 hours.

OK, I did check & K Series engines seem to have appeared in 1.4 litre form in1989, albeit in Rover 214.

The Metro got it in 1990.

http://www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?enginekseriesf.htm

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Colin McKay

So my mate's Land Rover will be eligible as a Grand Tourer, so long as it has the safari tent on the roof rack?

I'd like to see it but we all know that Land Rovers don't last 6 minutes let alone 6 hours. Bit like me, really!

[RTH]

Originally Posted by johngee

The problem with framing regulations (particularly in a public forum) Max, is that everyone will give you advice.....which surprisingly just happens to favour what they intend to enter!!!!

Very true and last weekends 8 car field was a starting point and not representative of the sort of cars that might get entered in future years. Sadly nowadays people don't always all adopt the sort of gentlemanly attitude to these things that we would all wish, which is why rules are needed.

[johngee]

Originally Posted by RTH

Sadly nowadays people don't always all adopt the sort of gentlemanly attitude to these things that we would all wish, which is why rules are needed.

They do at 'my' meetings or they get taken round the back of race control for a good slapping with a wet flannel!

[MartinSmith]

Originally Posted by johngee

They do at 'my' meetings or they get taken round the back of race control for a good slapping with a wet flannel!

Ohhh you have just reminded me how we first met lol

[johngee]

Careful! People might accuse us of 'favoritism, nepotism and a lack of clarity in the chain of command'

Sorry folks - 'in joke' We were once accused of that by another club! We'll leave you to decide if it's true!

[andy97]

Originally Posted by johngee

They do at 'my' meetings or they get taken round the back of race control for a good slapping with a wet flannel!

Didn't realise you had been to Public School!

[johngee]

Originally Posted by andy97

Didn't realise you had been to Public School!

Actually, I did ......but one takes one's pleasures where one can!

[andy97]

Originally Posted by johngee

Actually, I did ......but one takes one's pleasures where one can!

That must be why you are a Clerk...you must like dishing out punishment!

[johngee]

Originally Posted by andy97

That must be why you are a Clerk...you must like dishing out punishment!

.....or, if I were in charge of the FIA, receiving it!!

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by JasperClan

Been reading this with interest and was beginning to think it would be something to do in one of my racing Clans. I would appear to be one of the typical clubman competitors the event is aimed at. It would also be good fun proving that it is possible to get an Imp engine to last 6 hours. Whilst the Clan fits the age requirements and is generally classed as a coupe no way could you call it a four seater. Interstingly the Clan does comply with the requirements as suggested in the original post as I'm helping someone run one quite successfully in the French Maxi 1000 Series.

Hopefully you could consider Clan as being eligible and I can get started on preparing a detuned 998 to go in my original race Clan which did a stirling 19 years in the 750 MC Roadgoing Sporttcar Series.

Pete Richards

That'd be interesting, Peter.....when someone posted a (first thoughts) list of "eligible cars" I saw Hillman Avenger, but no Imp, and thought "why not?"....then thought "6 hours might be the reason......". But if we could run one (three, actually) on Le Jog, where particularly on the night run through Wales, and the overnight run through the highlands you are on the go for well over 6 hours, I guess it should be possible......

So if the Clan isn't eligible, should we look at using an Imp? I'll leave the engine building to you

[MGDavid]

You make a good point; there are a number of smaller GTs which are 2 seater only, usually due to the smaller engines not being powerful enough back in the day to lug four adults around. It seems a shame to exclude a whole genre of classic 60s and 70s cars. How about something simple like "...GTs over 1500cc must have 4 seats" or "GTs under 1500cc need only be 2 seaters"

Originally Posted by JasperClan

Been reading this with interest and was beginning to think it would be something to do in one of my racing Clans. I would appear to be one of the typical clubman competitors the event is aimed at. It would also be good fun proving that it is possible to get an Imp engine to last 6 hours. Whilst the Clan fits the age requirements and is generally classed as a coupe no way could you call it a four seater. Interstingly the Clan does comply with the requirements as suggested in the original post as I'm helping someone run one quite successfully in the French Maxi 1000 Series.

Hopefully you could consider Clan as being eligible and I can get started on preparing a detuned 998 to go in my original race Clan which did a stirling 19 years in the 750 MC Roadgoing Sporttcar Series.

Pete Richards

[johngee]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

You make a good point; there are a number of smaller GTs which are 2 seater only, usually due to the smaller engines not being powerful enough back in the day to lug four adults around. It seems a shame to exclude a whole genre of classic 60s and 70s cars. How about something simple like "...GTs over 1500cc must have 4 seats" or "GTs under 1500cc need only be 2 seaters"

Interesting point and one to consider.

[JasperClan]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

That'd be interesting, Peter.....when someone posted a (first thoughts) list of "eligible cars" I saw Hillman Avenger, but no Imp, and thought "why not?"....then thought "6 hours might be the reason......". But if we could run one (three, actually) on Le Jog, where particularly on the night run through Wales, and the overnight run through the highlands you are on the go for well over 6 hours, I guess it should be possible......

So if the Clan isn't eligible, should we look at using an Imp? I'll leave the engine building to you

Thats a good alternative Richard. I'll carry on with the engine but hopefully the Clan will be allowed.

Pete Richards

[MartinSmith]

See, I think....if its called a GT by the manufacturer, then it is a GT, regardless of if it had two seats or four......

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by ClaireSmith

See, I think....if its called a GT by the manufacturer, then it is a GT, regardless of if it had two seats or four......

Aha, now that's very logical and sensible, and encouraging to me too :-)

[MGDavid]

a thought struck me this morning, logic in keeping the late cutoff at 1986. If Blair had not revoked the rolling 25-year Historic vehicle rule, then by next year's 360 race 1986 would be the cutoff point for Historic cars :-)

[terence]

As Claire said,if its called a GT by the manufacturer,and enough were built on a production line,then I personally see no reason for it not to enter.

[BILTEL]

Might only be my view, but I think if you raise the cut off year from 1986 there will be a few uncatchable M3's entered. I guess if the Jag that won is allowed in next year, then the 3.5 limit has gone.

[SAMD]

It was in the invitation class and could be again.

[SAMD]

It was in the invitation class and could be again. I would say you are right about the M3s

[MartinSmith]

Originally Posted by SAMD

It was in the invitation class and could be again. I would say you are right about the M3s

He was indeed in invitation

Lots being debated about the regs for next years event, we hope to have them ironed out very soon

What we may do, if we do make the cut off date later and depending on entry levels with the M3 is to give them a class of their own,

[Mike Bell]

Picking up on 2CV 24hrs, good move to check it out Claire- it certainly has a reputation for atmosphere! (Although if they get the heavy rain, thunder and lightning I am watching and hearing at the moment that will dampen it a bit!)

360 Classes- could there be a split at 2 litres next time, then 2001cc to 3500cc? Then Invitation for anything over and other non-conformists. (All them Hot-rods and F2 engined cars ) And Invitation should mean that- you are here by Invitation, and we reserve the right to not invite you?

Not sure if there would be an influx of E30 M3s- It has been suggested to me that pukka engines and other unique running gear are very costly? And if the 360 is a 'clubbie' event with less emphasis on overall victory would so called 'big teams' want to enter?

[MartinSmith]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Picking up on 2CV 24hrs, good move to check it out Claire- it certainly has a reputation for atmosphere! (Although if they get the heavy rain, thunder and lightning I am watching and hearing at the moment that will dampen it a bit!)

360 Classes- could there be a split at 2 litres next time, then 2001cc to 3500cc? Then Invitation for anything over and other non-conformists. (All them Hot-rods and F2 engined cars ) And Invitation should mean that- you are here by Invitation, and we reserve the right to not invite you?

Not sure if there would be an influx of E30 M3s- It has been suggested to me that pukka engines and other unique running gear are very costly? And if the 360 is a 'clubbie' event with less emphasis on overall victory would so called 'big teams' want to enter?

Yes we've had thunder and lightning and it has JUST slowed from an absolute drenching downpour
Just want to once again confirm something, we believe that if a car is called a GT by the manufacturer then its a GT, if its not called a GT by them, then it is not. If anyone can give me a valid exception to this (and I mean that would stand up in a court of law) can they let me know?