British Rallycross 2011 - Page 6

MiniMadness · 6 Feb 2011, 14:35 (Ref:2826628)

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Originally Posted by Gedwardes518

BMW Mini's will have around 6-8 cars out this year from what I have heard.

George who is likely to be out ?

I had a MINI and a Suzuki Swift Sport before I moved and I actually preferred the Swift. It would be interesting if they put the MINI's out with the Swift's to see which is quicker.

bobster55 · 6 Feb 2011, 14:56 (Ref:2826641)

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Originally Posted by rx-guru

Saxo VTS homologation prolonged from December 31 2010 to December 31 2012.

See: http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/FE0BED79BD3DADD5C1257824004988F4/$FILE/VoituresPays_26.01.2011.pdf (needs copy&paste!)

But they will be eligible for RX for another 4 years, till December 31 2016.

I assume this only applies to phase 2 vts and that a phase 1 won't be eligible for the hot hatch class

rx-guru · 6 Feb 2011, 15:27 (Ref:2826652)

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Originally Posted by MiniMadness

Here here. They share a name only. Notice how the new one is in CAPS (MINI) it's a brand owned by BMW.

Its interesting here across the pond in the US they call the original a Cooper. Everyone here's loves the original, its got the 'awesome' factor.

Here in Germany 'Mini Cooper' is also the most common name for the original, although not many of them were true Cooper Minis (less than 10% I guess). It is like the majority of my compatriots call most of the Off-road cars 'Jeep'.

BTW, yours truly pictured in his about 75bhp Innocenti Cooper 1300 (came with original 64bhp) in 1975 to be found here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...jpg?uselang=de

MiniMadness · 6 Feb 2011, 16:05 (Ref:2826680)

What a cool photo. Now that's retro. Love the Ripspeed on the front grille.

Gedwardes518 · 6 Feb 2011, 16:15 (Ref:2826692)

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Originally Posted by MiniMadness

George who is likely to be out ?

I had a MINI and a Suzuki Swift Sport before I moved and I actually preferred the Swift. It would be interesting if they put the MINI's out with the Swift's to see which is quicker.

At the moment it looks to be myself, kris and keifer hudson, kelly bird and 2-3 other drivers (non mini-crossers) whose names have escaped me.

MiniMadness · 6 Feb 2011, 17:14 (Ref:2826737)

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Originally Posted by Gedwardes518

At the moment it looks to be myself, kris and keifer hudson, kelly bird and 2-3 other drivers (non mini-crossers) whose names have escaped me.

Sounds good I hear theses are Cooper Challenge cars.
I'm looking forward to Lydden in March.

Has Neil Wade moved to Modifieds ?

Darren Wilcox · 6 Feb 2011, 23:12 (Ref:2826967)

Don't think your correct about the saxo being ok till 2016 as it's not got anything to do with homologation dates it's from date of last manufacture as it says cars not over 10 years old saxo stopped in Nov 2003 so therefore last dates for use in this class wil be end of 2013 season.

Definately 16v cars only aswell phase one VTS stopped in 1998 so will already be out of range but a bonnet, wings and headlight cover change would sort that out.

Just not sure if there are enough 16v cars in stockhatch at the moment to make a full grid.........The ones i know of are My new one, Darren Swales New car, Simpson's C2, Adam Clark's old car if it has sold, Joe Cuninghams 106, and a 106 that i think MB have for sale, but in reality thats four cars maybe we'll be with the MINI's to make up numbers.

AlamakiRX · 6 Feb 2011, 23:22 (Ref:2826980)

I reckon:
Darren Wilcox, (AdamClarke's Old car), Joe Cunningham, Darren Swales (New Car), Ben Swan, Adam Walker, Russ Simpson, Rob Blake, Gary Johnston (New Car), Mike Jones (New Car)

Thats 10 cars already, if they all turn up for round 1 so wouldnt run with Mini's!

rx-guru · 7 Feb 2011, 00:25 (Ref:2827010)

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Originally Posted by Darren Wilcox

Don't think your correct about the saxo being ok till 2016 as it's not got anything to do with homologation dates it's from date of last manufacture as it says cars not over 10 years old saxo stopped in Nov 2003 so therefore last dates for use in this class wil be end of 2013 season.

Don’t know to what rules you refer, but for international RX the Saxo VTS will be okay till the end of 2016. Homologation ends 2012 and then comes 4-years-plus rule of FIA into force.

bobster55 · 7 Feb 2011, 12:19 (Ref:2827192)

My new car will be eligible also but won't be ready for 1st couple of rounds and not sure whether to go hot hatch or stick with btrda

Darren Wilcox · 7 Feb 2011, 18:00 (Ref:2827352)

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Originally Posted by AlamakiRX

I reckon:
Darren Wilcox, (AdamClarke's Old car), Joe Cunningham, Darren Swales (New Car), Ben Swan, Adam Walker, Russ Simpson, Rob Blake, Gary Johnston (New Car), Mike Jones (New Car)

Thats 10 cars already, if they all turn up for round 1 so wouldnt run with Mini's!

Adam Walker car is only 8V, I had forgot about Ben Swan's car and don't know the others you have mentioned do you know what they are ?????

Darren Wilcox · 7 Feb 2011, 18:02 (Ref:2827354)

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Originally Posted by rx-guru

Don’t know to what rules you refer, but for international RX the Saxo VTS will be okay till the end of 2016. Homologation ends 2012 and then comes 4-years-plus rule of FIA into force.

Yeh I realise about the homologation, but the new hothatch class in the British championship is based on 10 years old from cease of production not homologation dates.

rx-guru · 7 Feb 2011, 18:09 (Ref:2827355)

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Originally Posted by Darren Wilcox

Yeh I realise about the homologation, but the new hothatch class in the British championship is based on 10 years old from cease of production not homologation dates.

Okay, understand now. You talk about apples and I talk about oranges.

AlamakiRX · 7 Feb 2011, 18:34 (Ref:2827369)

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Originally Posted by Darren Wilcox

Adam Walker car is only 8V, I had forgot about Ben Swan's car and don't know the others you have mentioned do you know what they are ?????

Darren Wilcox, (AdamClarke's Old car Saxo VTS), Joe Cunningham 106 xsi, Darren Swales C2, Ben Swan Saxo VTS, Russ Simpson C2, Rob Blake C2, Gary Johnston C2, Mike Jones Saxo VTS

Darren Wilcox · 7 Feb 2011, 20:41 (Ref:2827418)

Just had a reply from Adam his car has sold but he dos'nt know what it will be doing yet. Not nit picking but Darren Swales new car is a Saxo VTS as is mine, so not looking to bad at least i can see a grid full if there all ready in time. It will be a bit like a Citroen one make championship until someone builds a Twingo Sport then we'll all have to buy one to be competitive.

dcdesign · 7 Feb 2011, 21:36 (Ref:2827445)

If you remove the 10-year limit, it's just a Honda cup...

dougcross70's · 7 Feb 2011, 22:07 (Ref:2827462)

Crofts 2011 fixture list is now on the web and it all ends in October, sadly no mention or listing of any rallycross event.

Stephen H · 7 Feb 2011, 22:43 (Ref:2827482)

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Originally Posted by dougcross70's

Crofts 2011 fixture list is now on the web and it all ends in October, sadly no mention or listing of any rallycross event.

4 days to the new rallycross uk website - so time for it to be announced yet - brands have started to fill out their website, but the end of year still has gaps, so unless all the days croft has, have been already allocated, then I would give up hope just yet.

there was talk of trying to move it away from bonfire night - so maybe thats the reason its not on the croft website at the mo.

Darren Wilcox · 7 Feb 2011, 23:08 (Ref:2827497)

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Originally Posted by dougcross70's

Crofts 2011 fixture list is now on the web and it all ends in October, sadly no mention or listing of any rallycross event.

Can only count about 38 days on there at the Mo so a few left to fill yet.

MiniMadness · 8 Feb 2011, 21:00 (Ref:2828025)

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Originally Posted by Darren Wilcox

Just had a reply from Adam his car has sold but he dos'nt know what it will be doing yet. Not nit picking but Darren Swales new car is a Saxo VTS as is mine, so not looking to bad at least i can see a grid full if there all ready in time. It will be a bit like a Citroen one make championship until someone builds a Twingo Sport then we'll all have to buy one to be competitive.

I'm glad you said it but I was thinking the same. Shame its limited to 1600cc as I'm sure the 750MC run upto 2 litre. So that lets in Hondas, Pug 206s, 306s, but then I suppose thats what Procar 2000 tried.

I assume you can still race a 8v if you want, why should it be 16v only ? How about someone coming out and racing a Lupo ? Wheres the MINIS and Swifts have their own class ? Strange could have put all cars in together and had huge grids.

Hickey · 9 Feb 2011, 09:58 (Ref:2828233)

How closelymatched are the MINIs and Swifts? If they are close, then would be great to have mixed grids!

sihorton · 9 Feb 2011, 10:24 (Ref:2828261)

I think the swifts will be quite a bit faster as they are lighter and also a full season of development and experianced drivers in them will make them quicker too.

I'd be interested to see a comparison though

tbtstt · 9 Feb 2011, 15:42 (Ref:2828498)

When are we going to see more then a teaser of your new chariot Simon?...

Darren Wilcox · 9 Feb 2011, 18:02 (Ref:2828605)

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Originally Posted by Hickey

How closelymatched are the MINIs and Swifts? If they are close, then would be great to have mixed grids!

Dont think the Mini's will be on the same planet as the suzuki's on pace, Stockhatch/Hothatch cars near to the suzuki's but they have a little more power better suspension and diff's that just make that little bit of difference.

Hickey · 10 Feb 2011, 10:13 (Ref:2828971)

so, if the MINIs are going to be much slower, and only about as quick as the hot hatches (if that), then what's the point?

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