2015 Calendar (UPDATED)

[Alan52]

It wouldn't matter when the 12 Hour organisers announced their date V8SA would have moved the Test Day so that it would clash.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Alan52

It wouldn't matter when the 12 Hour organisers announced their date V8SA would have moved the Test Day so that it would clash.

oh yes, as they should.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by Alan52

It wouldn't matter when the 12 Hour organisers announced their date V8SA would have moved the Test Day so that it would clash.

Yeah, I'm inclined to think so as well.

I still can't help but think that this may be part of a long term plan to morph V8SC into GT3. What better way to do it, than to crush the existing management and pick up what's left of it for a song?

[old fart]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Yeah, I'm inclined to think so as well.

I still can't help but think that this may be part of a long term plan to morph V8SC into GT3. What better way to do it, than to crush the existing management and pick up what's left of it for a song?

---and then try their best to run it into the ground ,just like it appears they are intent on doing to the slotcars ??

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why Not?

Clipsal 500 waits. Its a much bigger event to run

Big difference

The Clipsal 500 is guarenteed a full grid of V8Supercars as it is a round of the championship, and the race date goes hand in hand with the V8 calendar.

Bathurst 12hrs encourages international entries, how can they budget and plan for a race when they don't know what the date is? September is WAY too late to get things together for the overseas entries.

Usually it's supposed to be a good thing to get your dates sorted early

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Big difference

The Clipsal 500 is guarenteed a full grid of V8Supercars as it is a round of the championship, and the race date goes hand in hand with the V8 calendar.

Bathurst 12hrs encourages international entries, how can they budget and plan for a race when they don't know what the date is? September is WAY too late to get things together for the overseas entries.

Usually it's supposed to be a good thing to get your dates sorted early

Bathurst 12 hour is perfectly entitled to announce its date. But if something else clashes then bad luck either change the date or get on with things and accept them (which to the 12 hours credit they have, wish we could say the same about its fanbois)

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

oh yes, as they should.

Care to expand on this?

As a self proclaimed fan of 'motorsport', who advocates V8SC doing more for Australian motorsport than others give them credit for - I dont understand your support and encouragement of a category purposefully and with intent scheduling a clash against another race that has been in the calendar for over 6 months?

In terms of protecting its stars - the Bathurst 12 Hour is a once a year event, not a week in / week out competitor battling for tv or crowd audiences.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Care to expand on this?

its off topic, so no

[Trevor]

I would confidently hazard a guess and say that the 'SuperTest' day won't be held at Easter again in 2016 onwards - LOL

This decision has been a publicity disaster for V8SC's

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Trevor

I would confidently hazard a guess and say that the 'SuperTest' day won't be held at Easter again in 2016 onwards - LOL

This decision has been a publicity disaster for V8SC's

Easter? Trev you're living in the past, the 12 hour hasn't run at Easter for some time.

Agree with you otherwise, the whole saga has not been smart.

[mayhem]

A couple of things I don't get:

Why has V8Supercars/Foxtel become so paranoid over a race that attracts about 20,000 spectators over 3 days in the V8s off season?

What would happen if the volunteer marshals made a collective decision not to work at the Test Day?

Why are V8Supercars willing to risk any goodwill they had gathered in the motorsport community? If you read ANY social media or motorsport forums you know that the V8s are coming out of this looking very, very poor.

[Gaz170]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Why are V8Supercars willing to risk any goodwill they had gathered in the motorsport community? If you read ANY social media or motorsport forums you know that the V8s are coming out of this looking very, very poor.

Pig headed, and now they've backed themselves in to a corner they can't get out of it without looking like the fools they are.

[Umai Naa]

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how it plays out if there's a shortage of volunteer officials for the test days.

[one five five]

An interesting comment from Mr Todt here
http://autoaction.com.au/jean-todt-c...-500-conflict/

He says that CAMS 'allows' the date clash between the Sandown 500 and Rally Australia.

But didn't CAMS come out and say about the V8 Test Day/12hr date clash that CAMS do not get involved in when categories set their race dates?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

An interesting comment from Mr Todt here
http://autoaction.com.au/jean-todt-c...-500-conflict/

He says that CAMS 'allows' the date clash between the Sandown 500 and Rally Australia.

But didn't CAMS come out and say about the V8 Test Day/12hr date clash that CAMS do not get involved in when categories set their race dates?

he also said

We have hundreds of events and 52 weekends. So, clearly, it is not possible to avoid clashes. You know, I wish we would not have at the same time WEC and F1, F1 and WRC, but you simply cannot achieve it. So you have to do the best you can.”

same with CAMS. if its a big deal the 12 hour can move, but its only a big deal to 12 hour fanbois (and arent they vocal)

[pug205]

Originally Posted by peckstar

he also said

same with CAMS. if its a big deal the 12 hour can move, but its only a big deal to 12 hour fanbois (and arent they vocal)

True it is clearly not a big deal for the 12 hour, but it is a big deal to motorsport fans (not just 12hour "fanbois") who would like the chance to see the best local drivers competing against international drivers and in the biggest growing motorsport event in this country. And wow some of those upset people happen to be V8 Supercar fans too and know what a sad move this has been by V8SC

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by pug205

True it is clearly not a big deal for the 12 hour, but it is a big deal to motorsport fans (not just 12hour "fanbois") who would like the chance to see the best local drivers competing against international drivers and in the biggest growing motorsport event in this country. And wow some of those upset people happen to be V8 Supercar fans too and know what a sad move this has been by V8SC

however it was not the Motorsport fans bagging out the v8 series and waffling on about how much better the 12 hour is than the 1000km. It was the fanbois doing that.

Well they got what they asked for and now they are moaning about.

You cant moan about how much better the 12 hour is then be surprised when the v8supercars drivers cant attend. that's a direct consequence

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

he also said

same with CAMS. if its a big deal the 12 hour can move, but its only a big deal to 12 hour fanbois (and arent they vocal)

The V8 drivers seemed pretty disappointed and upset with the decision as well.

V8 teams also lost business out of the clash too. Seems this has had more impact that you care to admit.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

The V8 drivers seemed pretty disappointed and upset with the decision as well.

V8 teams also lost business out of the clash too. Seems this has had more impact that you care to admit.

that's the price of the war. you cant bat for both teams

[Juarez Jed]

WAR ??
Yeah the Bathurst 12 hour was a real threat to the v8s as you have acknowledged in the past...........

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by peckstar

that's the price of the war. you cant bat for both teams

Its a war? An unrelated race in the V8 Supercars off season is a war?

[ForumNick]

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[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

same with CAMS. if its a big deal the 12 hour can move, but its only a big deal to 12 hour fanbois (and arent they vocal)

errr, not the point I was even remotely trying to make You yourself seem to be the one constantly pushing the agenda of this supposed V8/12hr 'war', and keep pointing the convo back to this topic....


My point was that CAMS has earlier said that they can't get involved with date clashes, however now we have the president of the FIA claiming that CAMS are the one's responsible for letting date clashes happen.

Originally Posted by peckstar

that's the price of the war. you cant bat for both teams

Total utter rubbish.

Motorsport has existed for decades with drivers racing different categories

[peckstar]

Speedcafe suggesting that next year saturday super sprint races will be reduced to 2 x 60km races (down from 2 x 100km). Which will also fit nicely in with the ch ten package)

also the end of the twilight race experiment

[Samwhk]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Speedcafe suggesting that next year saturday super sprint races will be reduced to 2 x 60km races (down from 2 x 100km). Which will also fit nicely in with the ch ten package)

also the end of the twilight race experiment

Excellent news. The fans have been saying all year that we would like longer races. So they give us shorter races. Riiiiiight.