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I agree. Without the goofy fins and fender holes the lmps looked great.
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It's worth noting that when prototypes looked like extreme sports cars, rather than... I don't know what, the manufacturers didn't feel the need to plaster their own branding all over the cars like these days. Now people would see these cars, including the new Porsche as LMPs, back then it would be identifyable first and formost as an extreme Porsche model. That allowed title sponsorship without sacrificing manufacturer's brand identity.
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9 May 2013, 11:59 (Ref:3244796) | #1554 | ||
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I think now it is more of a case nobody offering them (Toyota/Audi, but not Pug since it had Total) large enough bag of money, so of course they'll then fill the fin ad space with their own stickers. Last edited by deggis; 9 May 2013 at 12:05. |
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Of course I'm not going to claim that this is the only or main reason why we don't have the kind of title sponsorship that produced all those fantastic liveries in the past (with a notable exception of Gulf!). But my point stands: for the most cars aren't identifiable with car brands they represent. Actually, just a couple of days ago I read an article on Audi R18 on Autoblog.com. It's always more interesting to read the comments, as the public there is generally not very knowledgeable about racing. One of the commenters posted something like "The car looks so un-Audi". That kinda struck me, as such thought never even crossed my mind. Last edited by Pandamasque; 9 May 2013 at 12:42. |
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Now the only thing that's "prototype" is some of the technology, rather than the cars themselves, but there needs to be a link. The 962 had indicators, a stock block engine, and a Porsche badge stuck on the front with immense pride. It became a Porsche. Is it possible to do that with a current LMP1? The ACO need to ask themselves that. They need to remember why Le Mans is celebrating 90 years this year...why it's survived a World War, a couple of economic depressions and oil crises. Two word answer to that. Road. Relevance. |
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9 May 2013, 13:01 (Ref:3244825) | #1557 | ||
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+1 to all of the above ^
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And if brand identity means blatant Nascar-like stuff like this, then no thanks Last edited by deggis; 9 May 2013 at 13:21. |
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9 May 2013, 13:43 (Ref:3244838) | #1561 | ||
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Yes to most of the comments mentioned but I think we do have normal GT's in the races so if the prototypes take things to the next level in looks as well as technology then that is all right by me
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As late as 1966 Le Mans organizers required cars to have a horn, turn signals, 4 inches of ground clearance, luggage space, and a spare.
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They knew what they were doing in those days, no one questioned them about BOP in those days
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I thought red bull was already banned in france
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Don't forget even the GT1 cars of 1998 needed luggage space. I remember Toyota exploited this by getting the ACO to approve their empty petrol tank as a "trunk" lol.
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I think it was something like:
"Ok, this is our luggage space, and we have put out petrol tank in it. Nothing in the rules says you have to be able to put suitcases in it." But anyhow, the ACO was not amused. |
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But watching it, I was a lot more than just amused...... My all-time favourite Le Mans car. Gives me the chance to wheel my picture out again as well.....
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Now that is a very nice picture! Can you PM it to me in the biggest possible size please?
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I remember seeing those cars, they were incredible until they broke down
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Ah ok. I understood you were a little bit too busy lately, so only do it when you have time. Don't make time for me.
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