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By the way I stayed the extra night, watched the first hour then drove home so I could unpack the trailer and be ready for work the next day. We are not all (very few of us are) made of money. Still I wouldn't miss the opportunity to go back and race there again for an instant. |
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Right across the board, from the upper levels of the 12hr entry to the support events, everyone says it is too expensive. The question for the event then is how do they either cut costs to cut entrant costs, or can the work out a way to significantly increase exposure and income for the weekend. The latter should alow some relief to entrants, or at least give them an exposure level to justify sponsorship. I guess the financials for the meeting are "comercial in confidence" but I would imagine that NSW Events and the Bathurst City Council would have some oversight. Are expenses that high, or is someone making a killing? By the way @$60-00 for 4nights for a campsite with very well maintained facilities the BCC is providing great value. Congratulations to them. Last edited by Oldtony; 2 Apr 2012 at 00:08. Reason: add campsite bit. |
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Get the Council to reduce the cost of circuit hire and I am sure the entry fees will drop..... more entries leads to more personnell needing food and accomm. More entries leads to more spectators.... more food and accomm. Race gains more entries and more exposure etc. Win-win-win. But who's going to make the first move? I still think losing the FOSC meeting over Easter was a disaster for the local economy..... so many hotels, pubs etc lost a stack of revenue from that weekend. it was an affordable event which meant more money was available for booze and meals in town, and 450-ish cars entered meant lots of drivers, crew, and families around to spend the $$
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The loss of FOSC though is possibly an area where circuit hire costs were the fly in the ointment. Was that the direct reason? Did other factors come into play? What were potential entries looking like before the plug was pulled? The point about Mt.Panorama is its iconic status. As Jacal said, even at that cost he would do it again. Is the whole thing a matter of fixing a price point because there are so many people who want some laps that the promoters can charge whatever the market will bear? |
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We've camped the last 2 years in a row at Easter, and camping again this weekend. Definitely part of the Bathurst experience, sitting around the campfire at night with a few brews. Doesn't help the local economy much though, but we always buy our food etc at Bathurst rather than take it with us so I guess that helps. I think a major part of the cost of any event at Bathurst is the actual cost of the track hire though. |
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I was talking about the SUPPORT events. At the B12 meeting all those events had entries of 55 to 57. I understand this is the legal capacity rating of the circuit. Don't know if an endurance event would have a greater entry limit. In the 60s and 70s I understand the 500(mile) limit was 63 starters and they used to accept reserves over that who got a start if someone failed to qualify.
The BCC certainly shouldn't be looking to make a profit, but it is also not the job of the ratepayers to subsidise motor racing. I also think you will find that it is the State Govt. through NSW Events that sets the circuit hire price. The figures I would like to see are what the "organiser" collects and what he pays out. |
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Great to see an open wheeler hold the record again.
I just wish the WEC/ALMS would visit Bathurst then a sportscar would hold the record and perhaps forever. Just imagine an R18 in anger around the mountain. Breaking the 2min barrier would be a mere formality... |
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Have you guys seen the video? Looks flat from the cutting to the esses. Braking into the chase is so deep you would need James Cameron's new submarine to film it...
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Simonsen (and friends) should have no real difficulty reclaiming that record. Pity that the 'powers that be' currently appear intent on on ensuring there’s little (or no) opportunity for them to do so - but that is a story for another day... |
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The video clip above seemed like that car ran out of revs a little on Conrod... would have been difficult to gear the car too.. a really long top gear to make the top speed would be nigh on useless anywhere else... Will there be a B12 in 2013? |
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With relatively little power, F3 cars would normally make a lot of time through corners and the long straights and climbs at the mountain clearly erode that benefit over the course of a lap relative to sports or touring cars. Thing that I find interesting is that after the chest beating from those that talk prior to the meeting, only two F3 cars went under Alan's time and then only during one of the weekend's races. |
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[QUOTE=Tourer;3055642]Agree - not so much for your reasons (coz the track would have cleaned up over the weekend & the pilots should be able to work the track out through the course of the weekend too) /QUOTE]
sorry? you having a laugh? track got more oil on it every hour over the weekend, never seen so many flaggs and oil spills, Group N might just as well be called the Exxon Valdez class... |
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Aussie Racing Car laid oil from Reid Park all the way to the left hander at McPhillamy the race before Formula 3 set their time. They also did it under race conditions, not on an open track supersprint (don't get me started on how that constitutes a "race").
Here's a phone pic from where I was for race 2 And the F3 guys were saying anything between sub 2m to 2:06. No one really knew how the cars would handle the climb up the Mountain, or whether they would max out the gearing down Conrod. As it was, all th eteams who went to the longer Macau spec gearing ended up changing back to Phillip Island with Tailwind spec after Practice 1. |
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I believe so, Bathurst Council seem accepting of the status quo - although there are elections in September, so perhaps fresh faces and thinking will emerge.
If not, Allan et al have little chance on the lap record. The B12 is likely to continue imposing an artifical threshold pre race start to prevent elimination of slow cars. Not sure a low 2:04 during the race proper is do-able, although others (FFS?) may disagree. What other opportunities are there for GT cars at Bathurst? The 2012 calendar for MtP looks pretty bleak. Aside from the B1000 (no GT), just 2 other events are listed, both 'run' Mr O'Brien, both now done and dusted. Quote:
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