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Clearly some prefer more prototypes, others more GTs.
Either way we should be thankful that there will be a full grid. Some of us can well remember 1992 Le Mans - 30 entries, 14 finishers and not one GT among them. At least we have variety this year and, if nothing else, the inclusion of so many GTs is closer to the original spirit of the race . |
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Along with 2017 it's actually the lowest amount of chassis variety this decade. And I haven't even included multiple chassis options (divided to different categories, or for example open top version next to coupe etc) to this list but just the makes themselves 2019 Toyota Oreca Dallara Kodewa-Kolles Onroak Ferrari Porsche Ford Aston Martin Corvette BMW = 11 2018 Toyota Oreca Dallara Kodewa-Kolles Ginetta Onroak Ferrari Porsche Aston Martin Ford Corvette BMW (Reserve: Riley) = 12+1 2017 Porsche Toyota Kodewa-Kolles Oreca Onroak Dallara Riley Ferrari Corvette Ford Aston Martin = 11 2016 Audi Porsche Toyota Oreca Kodewa-Kolles Onroak BR Zytek Ferrari Corvette Ford Aston Martin = 12 2015 Audi Porsche Toyota Nissan Oreca Kodewa-Kolles Onroak BR Zytek Dome Ferrari Corvette Aston Martin Viper (Withdrawn: HPD) = 14+1 2014 Audi Porsche Toyota Oreca Kodewa-Kolles Onroak Zytek Ferrari Corvette Aston Martin Viper Nissan (Withdrawn: Dome) = 12+1 2013 Audi Toyota Lola HPD Oreca Onroak Zytek Kodewa-Kolles Ferrari Porsche Corvette Aston Martin Viper (Withdrawn: GreenGT) = 13+1 2012 Audi Toyota Lola Pescarolo (03) Dome HPD Onroak Oreca Zytek Norma Ferrari Porsche Corvette Aston Martin Nissan (Withdrawn: Lotus) = 15+1 2011 Audi Peugeot Lola Pescarolo/Onroak HPD Zytek Aston Martin Oreca/Courage Norma Ferrari Porsche Corvette BMW Ford Lotus = 15 2010 Audi Peugeot Lola Pescarolo/Onroak Oreca/Courage HPD Zytek WR Norma Aston Martin Corvette Ford Saleen Lamborghini Ferrari Porsche BMW Spyker Jaguar (Withdrawn: Dome) = 19+1 Last edited by Deleted; 4 Mar 2019 at 12:02. |
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Sorry, I should have made my post clearer.
I meant that GT in 2019 has much more variety than in 1992: |
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But actually a rather good race between Peugeot and Toyota - and sensational cars..... other than the Debora, of course.....
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WEC in LM24 The grid: 34/60 = 56,66% Reserves included: 34/70 = 48,57% ELMS in LM24 The grid: 13/60 = 21,66% Reserves included: 20/70 = 28,57% IMSA in LM24 The grid: 9/60 = 15,00 % Reserves included: 10/70 = 14,28% ASLMS in LM24 The grid: 4/60 = 6,66% Reserves included: 6/70 = 8,57% --- WEC 2018-2019 Full Season accepted into LM24 The grid: 34/36 = 94,44% Reserves included: 34/36 = 94,44% ELMS 2019 Full Season accepted into LM24 The grid: 12/41 = 29,26% Reserves included: 19/41 = 46,34% |
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Risi to skip Sebring
This makes even more of a mockery of their LM entry and the ACO's alleged entry criteria. Very clearly a political move to add a bullet to Ferrari's gun against the Ford/Porsche hordes. I like Risi as much as the next fan, and I love the idea of a privateer (even a heavily factory-favoured one) competing in the Pro class, but this is another slap in the face for faithful ACO series entrants.
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They announced the no-intention-to-race-anywhere before Daytona even started so this is kind of non-news at this point
Anyways Ferrari had the third LM-only AF Corse last year and this is just their replacement lobby entry now to counter balance for the mass Porsche/Ford fleet once again, we all know it really Next year they don't need them because PRO depletes itself |
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I seem to recall that some years ago, when I made a similar remark about Debora, there was an outcry in their favour...... It's these small French teams that add greatly to the flavour of LM - something that has perhaps been missing in recent years |
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What is also missing is the weird / leftield / unique / exotic / questionable cars and teams... You know Pilbeams, Paganis, Domes etc... Now the only one left is ByKolles lol
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True enough. But the Debora was very bad indeed.......
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If I recall correctly from the '92 review video, it provided a small moment of amusement when Bob Constanduros in the pitlane was reporting on something, the booth interrupted with news about the Debora spinning, and he tried at least 4 times the "Debora pirouetting" line until the booth caught on.
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Ah yes Victor, I remember that very well..... The Debora was very good at pirouetting too.....
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For me personally, I would remove the Risi car as well. I like Risi, I really do, but since they don't race anywhere I don't think they deserve their entry as much as others do. See Ginetta ... I think the 4th Proton car is indeed for winning Le Mans. IIRC they could take up that invitation because they had an active eligable car. That would not have been the case if they only had 2 WEC cars and none in ELMS. |
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If the GTs categories had merged, several years ago, we would have more brands in GT. And many "small" prototypes manufacturers cannot afford Le Mans now because competing in a championship is now mandatory.
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"Small prototype manufacturers" aren't allowed to join LMP2 and LMP3 because of cartel regulations, and as for them in LMP1, obviously they're banned in competing in ELMS/ASLMS/IMSA... and the full season request WEC request doesn't help either
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And asking a manufacturer to step up from nothing to LMP1 is too big. LMP3/LMP2 stepping stones are gone.
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And even if they made the commitment to fund & build an LMP1, if they couldn't commit to whole WEC, they wouldn't get accepted for Le Mans 24. Too many off the shelf AM GTs take priority. ( just ask Ginetta ).
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Do we know Ginetta asked? (I may have missed something - I usually do.... ).
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A new manufacturer not getting a LM entry because an Am GT team took it would be sad. Ginetta were given multiple chances, couldn't make it work. It's time to give those spots to teams who will actually make the race and appreciate it. Might sound harsh, but it is what it is. When the Ginetta LMP1 thread started, a bunch of us said "they better not mess this up like the LMP3", and here we are. Limited sympathy. As Aysedasi has pointed out - has Ginetta asked? Or are they using this as an excuse? "We didn't get a LM entry, now we won't bother doing Spa". Remember when they blamed the ACO for not letting them run Silverstone, claiming the car was ready? And then it turns out it wasn't? Looks awfully familiar here. |
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Technically their LMP3 chassis never was bad-bad, even after the 'factory' support had ended and most of the original Ginetta teams switched to the stock French option, the chassis managed to beat most of the Onroaks at RLM that one year. And the car is still run at times, about as much as ADESS. Obviously not even mentioning Riley and stillborn Dome Anyway as I've said before I firmly believe that any LMP1 should be on the grid, regardless of anything else. Also, Average Joe who only watches Le Mans per year isn't going to understand why you would have random clone neverheard GTE-AMs chosen over LMP1 cars |
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Rumours and speculation...
"Risi Finalizing Driver Lineup Despite Pierre Kaffer and Stephane Ortelli appearing on the provisional entry list, the team has yet to finalize the lineup for the race. A number of drivers, including former Audi LMP1 factory star Benoit Treluyer and Daytona and Sebring winner Pipo Derani, are understood to be in the mix. Mayer indicated that a final decision will not likely come until closer to the driver nomination deadline in early April. “It’s a very unique deal,” he said. “It depends on what Giuseppe and Ferrari wants to do.” It’s believed that longtime Risi driver Toni Vilander will likely be placed with WeatherTech Racing’s effort in GTE-Am, with fellow factory drivers Miguel Molina, Davide Rigon and James Calado already confirmed in AF Corse’s season-long FIA World Endurance Championship entries." https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...te-pro-return/ |
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8 cars also numerically makes your primary class look much much weaker than if it was 10 And yes I can see how the same argument could theoretically be used for prioritizing PRO [over LMP2], but that's still Division 3 or 2 depending how you look at it, not Division 1 Now, a decade ago LMP1 cars did get rejected to reserve lists or shafted completely like Ginetta here as well, but that was because there were 15-25 P1 cars requesting entry in addition to 15-25 LMP2s. P1 did still receive priority over everything else though, look at 2008-2010 for example Last edited by Deleted; 9 Mar 2019 at 11:42. |
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