BTCC 2013, Brands Hatch, Rounds 28, 29, 30

[kimbo]

Originally Posted by mark_l

I am disappointed at the speed of the marshals response to the Neal incident. The standard of marshals has declined in recent years but everybody is too scared to criticise them.

The MSA and marshals clubs need to look at the training. Experienced marshals are leaving in droves and there are too many inexperienced marshals on post now, partly due to the recruitment drive in recent years. There are too few experienced marshals to pass on and guide the new marshals and the training is inadequate.

The only clip I've found on t'internet has marshals on the scene with extinguishers within 12 seconds of the car coming to rest (or at least the drivers door opening, and I don't think he would've been hanging about) and the fire out within 20 seconds, so pretty slack then.

From this post and an earlier thread ( http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139418) you've obviously got an axe to grind, so why not come out with it? Or are you Steve Neal??

As you will have gathered I'm a marshal, and proud of the work we do. Obviously it's important that if & when mistakes are made that we learn from them and in every case that I can personally vouch for, there would be a thorough debrief on post, pointing out where any improvements could have been made.
Yes, there are inexperienced marshals, some more (like me) with 4 or 5 years and many more with 10 years plus, but we've all got to start somewhere, and unless you know of a shedload of 10 year marshals we can parachute in whenever we need them, thats how its going to stay.
Perhaps we should be asking WHY all these experienced people are 'leaving in droves'.
Back on thread, well done to Andrew Jordan, mr consistancy (and possibly the only Honda not to have caught fire this year).
Kim

Oh and this was us yesterday

[adstubbs]

Marshal response looked OK to me, not helped by Neal being overly keen to raise the bonnet. Fire + sudden influx of air = bigger fire. That's why we're told not to fling open the bonnet, but to lift it slightly in order to get an extinguisher hose in there. More worryingly, how many fires have Dynamics had in the last two seasons?

[psq43]

Just watched the footage on spewtube and it actually went whoosh good and proper as he went for the second bonnet clip so suspect there were other things going on under the hood rather than the sudden influx of air.

All rather dramatic really, Gows scriptwriter excelled themselves this year.

[John Turner]

Thoroughly deserved by Andrew Jordan and many congrats to him. Superb drive by Goff.

[steve_r]

The foam extinguisher marshall did a good job. The water extinguisher marshall just stood there looking confused, like he did not know what to do with the big red thing in his hands whilst the Honda burned away. Hence the criticism (that was take on it at the time, although I have not watched it back)

[Sodemo]

Criticise the marshalls at your peril. I think they do a marvellous job.

[Greem]

Originally Posted by steve_r

The foam extinguisher marshall did a good job. The water extinguisher marshall just stood there looking confused, like he did not know what to do with the big red thing in his hands whilst the Honda burned away. Hence the criticism (that was take on it at the time, although I have not watched it back)

That was a powder extinguisher - water is not used at any trackside incident.

It looked to me like the thing simply wouldn't fire. It happens, despite checks indicating that everything is fine. And when Neal tried to take it himself, the body language between the two was definitely of the "oh cack" type rather than "do you know what you're doing?".

[Andrew Abbott]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

but both Honda drivers have expired contracts now but I wouldn't be surprised if they get both again, Shedden would be utter fool to leave voluntary

I somehow can't see Newsham staying with Speedworks, it seems like his talent is wasted there , he actually achieve far less than he did with ES Racing

Neal said that he already has a deal in place for 2014 - http://www.touringcars.net/2013/10/n...h-the-swallows

Also, from speaking to Newsham at the weekend, he is hoping to stay at Speedworks.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

If HARD survive the off-season and get some good development works on those Insignias, Goff could be a winner. The rain is a great leveller, and that, coupled with Silverstone's boost issues, probably made the Insignia look better than it really is.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by AndySpeed

Neal said that he already has a deal in place for 2014 - http://www.touringcars.net/2013/10/n...h-the-swallows

Also, from speaking to Newsham at the weekend, he is hoping to stay at Speedworks.

And from that interview, I presume it means two Civics available for someone who wants to emulate the Jordans.

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

If HARD survive the off-season and get some good development works on those Insignias, Goff could be a winner. The rain is a great leveller, and that, coupled with Silverstone's boost issues, probably made the Insignia look better than it really is.

The cars will be back, whether it's HARD or not is another matter. As we all know, it's owned lock stock and barrel by Warren Scott now.

[TimRTC]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

If HARD survive the off-season and get some good development works on those Insignias, Goff could be a winner. The rain is a great leveller, and that, coupled with Silverstone's boost issues, probably made the Insignia look better than it really is.

True but the gap he pulled on the Airwaves cars was real and the fact he held onto Shedden for so long without punting him off is real skill. Hopefully along with Tordoff a new generation of BTCC drivers who can overtake without impact.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by TimRTC

True but the gap he pulled on the Airwaves cars was real and the fact he held onto Shedden for so long without punting him off is real skill. Hopefully along with Tordoff a new generation of BTCC drivers who can overtake without impact.

Perhaps you could argue that somebody with a slightly larger budget could have stuck the nose inside at some point?

[simmo151]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

And from that interview, I presume it means two Civics available for someone who wants to emulate the Jordans.



The cars will be back, whether it's HARD or not is another matter. As we all know, it's owned lock stock and barrel by Warren Scott now.

When did Warren Scott buy out HARD, must have missed that some how. I knew he moved to drive a passat, but didnt realise it went further.

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by AndySpeed

Neal said that he already has a deal in place for 2014 - http://www.touringcars.net/2013/10/n...h-the-swallows

Also, from speaking to Newsham at the weekend, he is hoping to stay at Speedworks.

New car? Does that simply mean fresh builds of the Civic or is it actually a "brand new" car?

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

New car? Does that simply mean fresh builds of the Civic or is it actually a "brand new" car?

the KIA roumor perhaps

[Jiiiiiiim]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

the KIA roumor perhaps

New Civic's, that is All!

[BtccLee]

Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

New Civic's, that is All!

Exactly. Although there is a rumour that suggests it may not just be the same size of Civic...

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by simmo151

When did Warren Scott buy out HARD, must have missed that some how. I knew he moved to drive a passat, but didnt realise it went further.

It was reported in Motorsport News before Silverstone that he'd bought the whole BTCC team and would be relocating, but with Tony Gilham still in charge.

Originally Posted by Sodemo

New car? Does that simply mean fresh builds of the Civic or is it actually a "brand new" car?

I'd assume they're going to build new cars which are even better, with the knowledge of the car from the past two seasons. A better one than Eurotech as well, need to beat them somehow!

[Sodemo]

Yea, I heard the rumor of the Civic estate too.

[simmo151]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

It was reported in Motorsport News before Silverstone that he'd bought the whole BTCC team and would be relocating, but with Tony Gilham still in charge.

Thanks Craners I rarely see Motorsport News around where i live, which sucks!