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Dosen't really look that bad, no idea what all the outrage is about.
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I think it looks bad, like they just ran out of material or something. But I'm not going to worry about it too much until we see some real world examples and the different solutions teams are coming up with.
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Everyone cried doom about the 1.6 m wide rear wing, we got used to that within a season. Everyone cried doom about the sharkfin, some of the teams actually made it work in terms of design and blended it well in the overall lines of the car. Everyone has been crying doom about the aesthetics of the holes, I suspect by the end of 2012 we'll barely take notice of them.
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The fin is still something that catches my eye in a bad way, would love if they went away. The holes i do not have that big a problem with. The only problem i see is that we probably will see less light colored cars, and more dark livery. (because the holes will be very clear and oblivious in a light livery) |
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The changes to the Rear Wing and Shark Fin however unpopular still don't alter the underlying concept of the Formula. These ridiculous holes fundamentally change that concept, whilst trying to fix a problem that has already been substantially minimized. |
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15 Nov 2011, 23:54 (Ref:2987012) | #1731 | |
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Rather the holes than the fin. Hopefully the '13+ regs are to that likeness.
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Interesting... this started out as the LMP EVO thread... then LMP future rules.... and today the LMP EVO finally gets introduced, but at Grand Am, and the ACO is doing all they can to make the LMP's uglier...
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Still, these adjustments are kind of like plastic surgery. A little adjustment here or there might make things look good or at least won't make things look bad, but when too many changes are made, you end up looking like this: Yeah, exactly. The Corvette DP still has an ugly greenhouse, but it's a pretty attractive package all things said. No BHFs and no BHHs. That's refreshing. I almost thought that I might want to watch a GA race next year to see the thing in action, but then I remembered the many other reasons why I think GA sucks and those will still be around. Well, GA may not lure me in, but maybe they can get others to tune in. |
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My hope is that 2014 will be somewhat of a clean-sheet with none of the carry-over fins and holes. Maybe also a re-think of the floor/diffuser. I'm not holding my breath though.
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Here's a funny observation on the subject of 'Evo Rules' and how the new Corvette DP supposedly looks like a Evo LMP.... some say.
Just compare it with Maserati MC12 GT1, you'll see that DP still has more in common with a Turismo Carretera car rather than with something like a classic sportscar a-la group C. |
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More importantly, what does the ALMS do. We don't give a damn about 3:30 and we'd rather not see econobox prototypes. We certainly don't want to see BHF and BHH'ed econobox prototypes. Previous Road Atlanta races have shown us that it is important to keep cars on the ground, but that has not been an issue of significance here for many years. Even Grand-Am recognizes that you can't have ugly cars. The IRL is a little slow to pick up on this, but who wants to be like the IRL? Nobody. It's not that we don't want to see hybrids and stuff like that (remember Sparky?), but fuel savings should still be within the context of ultra performance and such like that. That's what sells people (or at least Americans) on fuel saving technology. That's the direction the ALMS should move towards. We want the earsplitting sound of powerful engines, not the earsplitting sound of gunfire in Bahrain or whatever other hellhole favorites the ∀IℲ has on their list. |
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I'm sure if you had a word with the powers that be they'll knock together something including tube-frame 'Vette's, retro M8's and even the odd Panoz that currently serves as trackside decoration, the rest can suffer those econobox prototypes, the quickest sportcars we've seen, and arguably the most exciting class in motorsport.
As for the FIA, there's no one more sceptical than myself, but some people need to read up on the differences between this organisation today, and twenty years back. TBH, NASCAR won't quite believe their luck, piece by piece they're dismantling the ALMS' ace cards, while fans focus is elsewhere. |
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Well, the 24 Hours of Le Mans is pretty useless if the track isn't certified, yes?
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Well, we can put the SW˥∀ and the OƆ∀ in the hall of shame too if you want. That's fine with me. Just leave the LMS alone. I know the series may not be much of a spectacular thing next year, but I respect the way the series is not trying to be popular and is trying to focus on the racing and racers instead. It's refreshing to follow racing and not feel like I've been overpromised and underserved. Maybe someday they'll find a way to put LMP1s on a track in an interesting way, but regardless, I'm sure they'll have the best racing that nobody knows about next year! |
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3:30 is a Rule of Thumb for when cars are getting out of hand. I don't think the track should change, I would love the chicanes to get taken out. So you have to do something about the cars.
With Group C it was easy. Just give them less fuel. Hmm. It's an idea. Oh, the ACO already did that, look... Safety at LM IS a massive issue. Think 1955, live, on TV, world wide. Then tell me you would have motor racing ANYWHERE, at all. Today's society would have screaming headlines demanding a ban, and it would happen. |
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The lap of La Sarthe could be made slower while actually improving the track somewhat. There are a few places where the completely flat curbs allow the drivers to blatantly cut the corners, why ACO pretend no to notice. Just build higher curbs.
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I'm not a track builder but I find it incredible that on the fastest part of the track (Mulsanne-Porsche curves) there's basically nothing more than some grass and a relatively primitive and low barrier. Not a lot of crashes seem to happen in this part of the track though, but instead of touching the track configuration maybe there are other things that could be done. |
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