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BoP, EoT... whatever you want to call it. I think at this point the main objective for FIA-ACO is to offer us a race to watch. Spa and Le Mans weren't interesting at all in terms of what was happening at the front. And just like Silverstone, these are tracks which theoretically should suit the non-hybrids better. Le Mans has long straights were the top speed of the non-hybrids should have made them more competitive. Spa has long flatout sections and not that many hard braking zones. Silverstone is kind of similar and in the past has been problematic for the hybrids. And still the Toyotas were just waltzing in to the distance. Sure we don't know what is going to happen at Silverstone, but it could be the best chance the non-hybrids get this year. Fuji and Shanghai will definitely be hybrid territory.
People like to look at top speed and say that the non-hybrids have an advantage on the straights. But what we really should be looking at is the time it takes for the cars to travel that distance. Spa sector 1: SMP Dallara 327km/h, 33,3s Toyota 314 km/h, 32,1s That's one hairpin the rest is flat out. And it's a long straight where non-hybrids start to claw back the initial acceleration advantage that the Toyota has. But still over a second's advantage for Toyota. Le Mans sector 2: three long straight cut by two chicanes. Toyota 342 km/h, 1.15,0 SMP Dallara 339 km/h, 1.16,5 So the non-hybrids aren't really quicker on the straights. Actually they lose a lot of time on the straights. And they don't seem to be any quicker in the corners either. So where are they supposed to be gaining so that they could match the Toyota on lap time? I have no idea and I'm not sure the ACO have either. If it's even on their real agenda list. Silverstone is a bit troublesome for hybrids, so that could the privateers' best chance. At tracks like Fuji and Shanghai the Toyotas are going to absolutely murder all the non-hybrids. They have so much more horsepower they can just slap all the downforce they want on the car and still be quick enough on the straights. You have to remember it's around 900bhp vs 700bhp. Sure Toyota won't have all that along the whole straight but halfway through they will be long gone. It wouldn't surprise me if they were gaining a second on every straight over the non-hybrids. I'm also a bit surprised this doens't pop up in the conversation more often. I don't see these car racing each other much unless they slap a much lower power cap on the hybrid system. It's 300kW now, it needs to be closer to 100kW. Sure most of the privateers cars are still quite new they will improve, but not by the margin they would have to. I hope I'm wrong. Well that was a bit of a rant. And we didn't even touch the impossible scenario of these cars racing wheel to wheel yet. |
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2 Aug 2018, 19:57 (Ref:3840946) | #1753 | |
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MTEK BMW should change of their cars to black livery as well like R.L.L did.
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I agree with you here. Jens Marquardt is a motor sports engineer and he knows how to cry for a better BoP for his giant BMW. In "normal conditions" his car would be 'under-paced' but that is not what ACO wants for the Munich boys. |
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Ah, but what goes around comes around with BOP...... One year it's Ford, then it's AMR, then Porsche or BMW. Must be Corvettes turn next year.... But then, probably not.
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4 Aug 2018, 23:44 (Ref:3841494) | #1758 | |
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Car was pretty heavy too. And it's in it's first year of competition. I think you underestimate the job they have to do in order to make a race car from scratch and be fast, regardless of bop.
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15 Aug 2018, 18:46 (Ref:3843856) | #1759 | |
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On the subject of bop, sorry I mean eot, Toyota seems to be involved in helping the ACO/to make decisions.
From s365 Saturday notebook https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ay-notebook-8/ Vasselon said*the pre-event EoT changescame in an open dialogue with the governing bodies.*“We discussed and came to something, which in our and the ACO and the FIA’s opinion, makes sense,” he said. “It respects some principles and brings the field together. “What was much more difficult before was the lack of data. Our concern was that the data was not good enough at the time and there was a risk of error. We had to protect ourselves. Now we have much more accurate data so it’s an easier job of what we want to achieve.” Is this surprising to anyone else? I thought the rules makers made choices on their own to manage the competition? |
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I thought another thing was telling in that the eot helped non-turbo teams for this round. I figured that would help Rebellion out even more and they'd be clearly ahead of the other privateers, but it looks like the SMP team has starte to come on strong. It could also be because they have already tested the HD kit in the off-season while Rebellion's is sorta new. |
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19 Aug 2018, 08:46 (Ref:3844567) | #1762 | |
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They knew exactly how the non hybrids would perform.
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8 Sep 2018, 21:07 (Ref:3848929) | #1765 | |
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Good news, but Silverstone showed Hedman is not the only weak link in that team.
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6 Oct 2018, 16:32 (Ref:3854927) | #1767 | ||
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Toyota gain 26kg and lose guaranteed stint length advantage at Fuji:
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6 Oct 2018, 16:39 (Ref:3854934) | #1768 | |
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Let's just do away with EoT and call it BoP now. It's clear they want to go that way anyway.
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6 Oct 2018, 17:22 (Ref:3854950) | #1769 | |
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I feel like a 26kg weight increase is more a case of "Well, it's the thought that counts", lol. It won't make a big difference at all. That's not even a BTCC weight penalty.
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6 Oct 2018, 18:17 (Ref:3854969) | #1770 | |
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I really don't know why they didn't just give them less fuel flow. That's not without precedent, every previous time the LMP1H cars were deemed 'too fast' they just lowered fuel flow allocation. And it's in keeping with the spirit of the class as well. This just feels, well, lazy like you said.
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6 Oct 2018, 20:36 (Ref:3854990) | #1771 | |
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26kg on a BTCC car is only 2% and probably even helps weight distribution, on an LMP1 it's 3% and costs you some engine performance as well because of the loss of efficiency. The question is just whether the TS050 was running at minimum weight anyways.
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This won't make any significant impact. |
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8 Oct 2018, 04:18 (Ref:3855345) | #1773 | |
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I think making a significant impact isn't on the agenda list. You don't just throw something like 50kg or a huge drop in fuel flow at Toyota as a knee-jerk reaction. You let it play out and make little changes here and there to see if that has an impact on them.
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8 Oct 2018, 06:19 (Ref:3855353) | #1774 | |
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If you're trying to balance cars that are wildly unbalanced, then you can't do it by adding grains of sand (there's a sand bagging joke in there somewhere )
Not that they should be balanced of course, but that's another discussion. That ships sailed. |
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8 Oct 2018, 09:44 (Ref:3855376) | #1775 | |
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It evidently has not, since most of the silly regulations about stint length are now gone.
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