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If they have a rule book..they should apply it as written or change the rules. I would bet turner would agree.
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We did some performance comparisations regarding the D24:
http://www.gt-eins.at/cms/index.php?...=9893&Itemid=1 Top-Speed as Example here: More of this will follow in our extensive race-report: http://www.gt-eins.de/Berichte2015/2...a/daytona.html (scroll down to the very bottom of the page) |
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Think that shows just how low on power Mazda is. Near 10mph down on the Fords. Shank looked more than 5mph slower while watching the race, but the hpd was slightly faster according to your graph.
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It's not "just racing" to me. Although my degree isn't in electrical engineering, it's the work I perform in support of military aircraft. (The title is "military contractor", but I prefer the more politically correct term "war whore".) I guess I'm not a "racing" fan, because I only follow endurance racing. I like it for two specific reasons: The cars are almost as high tech as the aircraft I work on and I feel like it's the last bastion of "pure" motor sports. Sure, even Le Mans isn't quite as wide open as it used to be, but the P1 cars are beyond awesome and the ACO doesn't consider cars winning by several laps to be a problem. I used to plan a significant amount of my vacation time around attending ALMS. I've attended every Petit except the Monsoon and 2013. I've been to Sebring eight times. I thouroughly liked the "product", even when car counts were down. All things must change. I look in the mirror and see it more and more every day. However, I hope that underneath the lost hair and wrinkles, I've maintained the "core" of who I am, at least the "good" parts. I hope for the same with endurance racing. I understand the financial realities of racing at the level of Audi, Toyota, Porsche, etc. It appears that few, if any people in the US are willing to step up to that level. GM is content to slap bodywork on an existing chassis and call it a Corvette, which reminds me of those body kits that turn a Pontiac Fiero into a Ferrari or Lamborghini. GM calls it "high tech". I call it "urinating on my head and telling me it's raining". The wave-by procedures are more liberal. More than one commentator has mentioned it. Scott Atherton calls it "strategic". More warm precipitation, IMO. I'm a bit curious to see what IMSA's response will be to the petition regarding pit procedures. I agree that there is a safety aspect to the petition and I support that. I also believe that the petition has a second agenda, which is to restore tire strategy to the equation. I support that, too. For me, it restores something I like about endurance racing. I predict that IMSA will come up with a reason not to implement this change. Whatever it is, it won't be for the real reason, which is that it will upset their carefully devised BoP. In other words, I'm forecasting rain. Yes, I'm bitter. Some aspects of TUSC are due to harsh reality, i.e. funding. It's disappointing, but no more disappointing than seeing that Racquel Welch (those of you under 40 use Google) is "mortal" and ages just like the rest of us, although in her case, it's aging like a fine wine. I accept that and I think that most reasonable people do, too. The things I have issue with are those that TUSC chooses to do, yet calls them something else. In TUSC Land, a Fiero with a body kit IS a Ferrari. Yes, I'm bitter. |
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I singled this part of your comment out cause with the freshly introduced Nissan effort it seems that there's a genuine US program lined up - although under a 'global' banner and done by a Japanese manufacturer as opposed to one of the big American ones but nevertheless. And IF Nismo will succeed to successfully challenge their P1 competitors - and more importantly, manages to exploit that feat commercially - it might just sparkle GM to change their strategy...??? |
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But anyway, well put together post. Having extremely negative things to say about altered product doesn't make you 'whiner' if you have reasons for it and have had to, well, much alter your own lifestyles in exchange Coach, I believe more likely scenario would be that the P1 manufacturers want to go back to the big US races eventually and try to lobby IMSA to allow them in. I'd think their word would have more value than GM's alone (Ford's going away anyway), certainly if it was more than Audi alone. I'd give that 0,2% chance of succeeding during the next decade, slightly more than with your GM scenario. However both still have bigger chance of happening than WEC establishing anything more than their Grade 1 six hourers... Last edited by Deleted; 2 Feb 2015 at 19:31. |
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I agree with everything Dodge Swinger said. I was emotionally and financially tied into what once was. In the sense that I obsessed and thought about it constantly, and planned my vacations around the races I attended, spending many thousands of dollars to attend them.
I am bitter, but even worse than that I am sad. Sad that something I loved was taken away, drug through the mud and is now advertised as being even better, even though it clearly isn't. |
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I'm sorry, but what sort of team would keep a trophy from a finish they have been excluded from?
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A team racing in a series whose VPs have publicly stated, supposedly speaking for the series, that the on-track-fan experience of a podium ceremony is worth more than having results with integrity. In that light, it is already surprising that they've actually changed the points outcome of the race and the team forfeited the prize money for 3rd. I feel the question was quite legit, seeing as which dubious of organization was being talked about.
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IMSA isn't really doing themselves any favors here:
http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/ba...ime-violation/ BAR1 fails to meet minimum drive time and loses ALL points, except the one they got for starting the race. Same type of infraction as WTR, yet the penalties are completely different. I understand LMPC is a pro-am class, and having a am driver not meet drive time is a big issue, but I don't think they should get the death penalty while WTR was coddled. |
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3 Feb 2015, 16:09 (Ref:3500476) | #1786 | ||
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But, they're different infractions.
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Only thing I can think of without IMSA/NASCAR dropping the ball is that WTR is in the NAEC and BAR1 isn't.
Of course, that doesn't make much sense, either, because though TUSCC and the NAEC are separate championships, the same sanctioning bodies run both and they run to the same sporting and technical regs. Still, seems on paper to be two different rulings for the same basic rules violation. I'd like to see an explanation from Dagys or Pruett on what reasoning for the different rulings are. Not to mention that it sucks that IMSA couldn't make an announcement within a day of the race ending unless WTR or BAR1 filed appeals that we don't know about. I mean, for example, Delta-ADR/G-Drive were DQ's from LM in '13 for an oversized fuel tank, and the ACO and FIA announced that shortly after the race ended. G-Drive filed an appeal which was turned own by the ACO a couple of weeks later, but the whole process was made public by the ACO, the FIA, and the team. I do agree with those who think that there's more than one thing butt-backwards and befuddling about how IMSA arrived at these conclusions and why IMSA waited for over a week with WTR and nearly two with BAR1 to announce any penalties for something that would seemingly be black and white and easy to determine if a rule was broken or not. |
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Continuing with the strange rules theme, if you look at the Series Points standings, and scroll to the bottom to see who is leading the GTD Manufacturers champ you will see Dodge is nowhere to be found. I guess they didn't make the appropriate payments?
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I wouldn't mind the long delays on rulings if the rulings seemed more consistent. Not sure they can see the forest for the trees.
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Well at least this year's race was kind enough to not give major reason to complain until after the chequered flag ...
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The only thing that's troubling to me is that the penalty for WTR was clearly described in the rule book, and yet... they decided after the fact to ignore it. That really bothers me.
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Curious as to conclusions you've come to as a result...
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Did TUSC fell too much affection from the fan base and get scared, causing the retreat into repeating past bad behavior?
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3 Feb 2015, 21:14 (Ref:3500584) | #1796 | ||
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Exactly! I have never heard of any series or sports league change a ruling during an event. If you see a problem with the rule, change it after the event so it doesn't screw over the next team. WTR knew the rule, it's their fault and they should get the proper punishment.
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