What is Aston Martin up to? - Page 73

NightStalk3r · 2 Dec 2010, 11:38 (Ref:2798546)

I would hardly call Nygaard "fab", thats why he is being replaced for San Luis.

Simmi · 2 Dec 2010, 11:59 (Ref:2798561)

I'd put Enge, Turner and Mucke in the new cars but beyond that... Obviously there are funding issues (how much does Aston need), but I want to see drivers who can really take the car to it's limits. Then we will truly see how far off the big two they are.

Tim the Grey · 2 Dec 2010, 16:30 (Ref:2798678)

Sam Hancock runs Drivers Club, part of JOTA Sport.
JOTA will run a GT2 Vantage in LMS next year, along with LM24, then move up to an Aston LMP for 2012.

That I got from the boys at Spa, back in August, and it's all over their website...

CTD · 2 Dec 2010, 17:30 (Ref:2798706)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

I would hardly call Nygaard "fab", thats why he is being replaced for San Luis.

I'm sad to hear that, but's just wait and see, i believe he can be fast.
Besides, danes are always fast at Le Mans

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TF110 · 4 Dec 2010, 11:33 (Ref:2799469)

It was an expression, I know the other 3 have been there at Aston for quite some time, that being Turner Enge and Mucke, Nygard I'm not so sure about, I know he's been there for a couple years, but the other guys I've heard about for some time, since their Gulf DBR9 GT1 days.

Tom908V12 · 12 Dec 2010, 13:34 (Ref:2803272)

Now that even Audi switched to a coupé for its R18, don't you think Prodrive did a mistake with the future open LMP1 proto

Graham Goodwin · 12 Dec 2010, 13:37 (Ref:2803277)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Now that even Audi switched to a coupé for its R18, don't you think Prodrive did a mistake with the future open LMP1 proto

There's a good reason why they wouldn't - and its all to do with performance equalisation

Félix · 12 Dec 2010, 14:06 (Ref:2803287)

I see it having a COG advantage over the diesels and looking much less massive/much more like an optimised single seater with very trick aerodynamics. Now, what that will give on Le Mans' straights considering the diesels' power will once again dominate massively - at least in the torque department - and the coupé probably gives a drag advantage, we'll see.

If they go with narrow fronts, the contrast could be even more interesting...

Tom908V12 · 12 Dec 2010, 14:19 (Ref:2803291)

Why do you all talk again about bad equivalence in engines ??? We don't know yet the advantage of diesel/gasoline powered LMPs...

Félix · 12 Dec 2010, 14:36 (Ref:2803297)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Why do you all talk again about bad equivalence in engines ??? We don't know yet the advantage of diesel/gasoline powered LMPs...

Diesel makes power at low rpm so torque*rpm=power closer to max pretty much all the way through the usable rev range.

A gasoline engine needs to spin faster (if turbocharged) or much faster (atmo) and the torque appears high up in the rev range and is thus a lower number.

Now we don't know exactly what the effect of torque is on lap time and what max power will be and I understand we're not here to debate what lap times it will give from speculation, but it's safe to assume that acceleration out of corners and how soon top speed is reached differ because of the torque characteristics (instantaneous power) even if peak power are well matched.

Graham Goodwin · 12 Dec 2010, 15:09 (Ref:2803308)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Why do you all talk again about bad equivalence in engines ??? We don't know yet the advantage of diesel/gasoline powered LMPs...

I never mentioned bad equivalence

JAG · 12 Dec 2010, 16:55 (Ref:2803340)

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Originally Posted by Tom908V12

Now that even Audi switched to a coupé for its R18, don't you think Prodrive did a mistake with the future open LMP1 proto

On the face of it a low drag coupe and hybrid system to help compensate for the diesels torque advantage and improve economy is the way to go.

Prodrive obviously know this so we'll have to wait and see if they've been given a restrictor/weight break, which presumably would also apply to other teams running an open/non hybrid petrol car.

Gingers4Justice · 12 Dec 2010, 17:42 (Ref:2803352)

Both the problem and brilliance with Prodrive is their consistency in delivering very, very good racing cars. But they often lack genius. They're good at what they do but sometimes they seem a little short of a unique idea.

The new Aston Martin LMP1 will be a very solid racer capable of podium finishers, we know that. But will it compete for race victories?

Let's hope that some of the more...volatile, shall we say....teams on the grid get it wrong with their new cars.

IMO, that's their only hope of building a successful LMP racer, because I doubt that this non-hybrid open-top car will have a trick up its sleeve.

We'll just have to wait and see...

CTD · 12 Dec 2010, 18:31 (Ref:2803376)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Both the problem and brilliance with Prodrive is their consistency in delivering very, very good racing cars. But they often lack genius. They're good at what they do but sometimes they seem a little short of a unique idea.

The new Aston Martin LMP1 will be a very solid racer capable of podium finishers, we know that. But will it compete for race victories?

Let's hope that some of the more...volatile, shall we say....teams on the grid get it wrong with their new cars.

IMO, that's their only hope of building a successful LMP racer, because I doubt that this non-hybrid open-top car will have a trick up its sleeve.

We'll just have to wait and see...

How did Audi win Le Mans in 2005 and 2010?

Gingers4Justice · 12 Dec 2010, 18:45 (Ref:2803385)

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Originally Posted by CTD

How did Audi win Le Mans in 2005 and 2010?

I do believe both those years prove my point

You don't need genius and you don't need to be the best in sportscar racing if you have a solid car. Brainless pundits will try and claim that Le Mans is a sprint, but that's not true. Yes, if you're a hare, you are more likely to win than 20 years ago, but the tortoise still has his moment of glory every now and again.

Aston's greatest hope is the fragility and weaknesses of its opponents, which is what Audi relied on in the years you referred to, rather than their own strengths.

CTD · 12 Dec 2010, 19:23 (Ref:2803410)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

I do believe both those years prove my point

You don't need genius and you don't need to be the best in sportscar racing if you have a solid car. Brainless pundits will try and claim that Le Mans is a sprint, but that's not true. Yes, if you're a hare, you are more likely to win than 20 years ago, but the tortoise still has his moment of glory every now and again.

Aston's greatest hope is the fragility and weaknesses of its opponents, which is what Audi relied on in the years you referred to, rather than their own strengths.

Exactly. No matter what, its the one who finishes first who wins the problem is just that with +6 top diesel cars the chance of Them All blowing, is Slim

TF110 · 14 Dec 2010, 07:56 (Ref:2804221)

The chance of 4 of them was slim, yet it happened this summer! Crazy! I don't think it'll happen this year though. Maybe Aston will have a chance, and maybe Rebellion Toyota as well. See how good that SuperGT engine is.

gustavobamba · 16 Dec 2010, 12:58 (Ref:2805128)

Where and When did Aston Martin introduce the new LMP1 car?????

Simmi · 16 Dec 2010, 13:33 (Ref:2805145)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Where and When did Aston Martin introduce the new LMP1 car?????

It hasn't...

**joeb** · 16 Dec 2010, 14:47 (Ref:2805160)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Where and When did Aston Martin introduce the new LMP1 car?????

Well, they haven't shown a real car yet, but they did put out a drawing earlier this year outlining their planned concept. Link.

TWK · 16 Dec 2010, 14:58 (Ref:2805164)

"single seater"

"entirely in-house"

Tim the Grey · 16 Dec 2010, 16:25 (Ref:2805192)

Go to the Horses Mouth, I say...

http://www.astonmartinracing.com/eng...f-8d66e064dbc8

No mention of single seater in there...

"In House" means Prodrive, as that is where AMR live.

I know, I visit the lighting showroom next door often enough!

P.S. I have seen a render of that car as a coupe, but it was on Endurance Crea, Photoshop masters, so it may well be a mock up, but it DID look better!

gustavobamba · 16 Dec 2010, 17:04 (Ref:2805211)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

Go to the Horses Mouth, I say...

http://www.astonmartinracing.com/eng...f-8d66e064dbc8

No mention of single seater in there...

"In House" means Prodrive, as that is where AMR live.

I know, I visit the lighting showroom next door often enough!

P.S. I have seen a render of that car as a coupe, but it was on Endurance Crea, Photoshop masters, so it may well be a mock up, but it DID look better!

Please send the link of that render....

Simmi · 16 Dec 2010, 21:17 (Ref:2805331)

Not sure if people have seen this. Aston are giving fans the chance to name the new car!

http://www.astonmartin.com/eng/namet...nlemansracecar

Cool idea from AMR.

rich07 · 17 Dec 2010, 01:48 (Ref:2805415)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Not sure if people have seen this. Aston are giving fans the chance to name the new car!

http://www.astonmartin.com/eng/namet...nlemansracecar

Cool idea from AMR.

Dear AMR

In order to find the best name for your new car, more images of this new car would be needed to help accomplish this.

Yours sincerely rich.

P.S If you need a team to run the car on either side of the Atlantic in 2011 Ten-Tenths AMR currently have no plans.

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