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26 Dec 2017, 02:17 (Ref:3789145) | #176 | |
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Is lmp2 costing that little in comparison? You buy the Ginetta and possibly an engine for around 3 million. Maybe 4.5-5 for 2. But you can win overall and develop your car. And hire who you want within reason. Seems like a bargain for a few well-off gentlemen team owners.
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26 Dec 2017, 02:37 (Ref:3789146) | #177 | |
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Can get a p2 for about 700k euro so it's quite a leap if the p1 is 3 mill but a genuine shot at le mans might be all it takes to attact the finances.
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There's the one which hasn't materialised, though most doubted whether they had enough money in the first place. There's a Middle-East customer, who wanted two plus a spare tub, and who I believe has already signed a contract and paid a deposit, but doesn't want to announce it until next month (possibly at Autosport International?) And there's a third, who I don't know much about. |
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26 Dec 2017, 10:42 (Ref:3789171) | #180 | |
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Problem is that new private lmp1 and engines are a huge question mark.... nobody still can predict the performance window and if the whole package is reliable.
2015-2016 R-one had overall better performances than oreca/ligier lmp2 but how many times did finish the race ahead? |
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26 Dec 2017, 10:44 (Ref:3789172) | #181 | |
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Having gibson lmp2 engine revealed to be rock-solid, is quite more likely to see a le mans lmp2 overall win than a private lmp1 to me.
Quite sure that toyota won't win this time too. |
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26 Dec 2017, 11:05 (Ref:3789175) | #182 | ||
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I think with around 10 P1's, even with reliability issues, one of them is bound to get a clean run. It's a number game surely Not only has one or more of the P2's got to have a perfect run, but they've got to do enough laps that they can overtake in the rankings possibly 10 faster P1 cars. Toyota could turn their cars down and run safely ahead of all P2's. The real danger I imagine for Toyota is the privateers being fast enough to scare them into making mistakes.. |
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26 Dec 2017, 11:46 (Ref:3789180) | #183 | ||
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Well kolles did pass a Toyota at the start last year...
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26 Dec 2017, 12:39 (Ref:3789189) | #184 | ||
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If the Twitter don´t lie... one of their drivers said the Bykolles hit 350 km/h in ARAGON test... i don´t seem to see that kinda speed from Toyota... in the first lap maibe Bykolles can overtake the Toyota´s
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If they had not lost the nose in Tetre Rouge on the first lap at LM this year, I think they really could made it interesting a long way.
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well 350km/h on mulsanne straight, but gte like corner speed on porsche sector....
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http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Res...ctors_Race.PDF S3 (from Mulsanne back to the start, including Porsche Curves), still faster than all the LMP2s even with an engine in the process of cooking itself. Race sector times. So yeah, without that first lap with the nose blocking the radiators and boiling the engine to hell, it's... interesting to ponder where that car would have finished. And a likely faster and possibly more reliable-than-that Ginetta next year... |
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As far as words on budgets, let the forum nutter chime in...
I heard on the Fox broadcast (or maybe read somewhere here) that JCDC/Jota's budget for the WEC and LM was on the order of $3 million USD. For a comparison, on the 2003 Road Atlanta sprint race broadcast (which is up on You Tube on the ALMS' page there), ADT Champion Racing spent $4.5 million USD on their ALMS season and Le Mans. There's caveats, though. Champion ran more but predominantly shorter races than Jota/JCDC did. And the big one is that those totals and the difference between them doesn't account for 15 years worth of inflation. Also, we might also have to take in account that the cars and engine deals aren't the only cost. There's travel, lodging, spare parts and payroll. The most recent numbers I can remember on that front was Muscle Milk Racing saying that their budget (and maybe Rebellion's at the time) was roughly equivalent to a NASCAR Xfinity Series team's. It's safe to say that Kolles is spending significantly less than that. Thing here is that I think that $1.5 million or so is reasonable for a car (again, inflation vs say LMP900/early LMP1), but I'm unsure of who'd pay $750+K for an engine deal for a thus far unproven engine unless they know something we don't. |
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The contrast between GTE/GT3 and LMP2/LMP3 budgets really doesn't make a lot of sense to me. LMP3 gives more or less GT3 performance for, what, a quarter to a third of the price?
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If that's all is really quite cheap for a lmp2 top team WEC 2 cars effort. In late GT1 years, a decade ago, was rumored that P&M/corvette racing had about 10 mln $ budget just for le mans. |
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$4.5 million is pretty cheap to be in the top class, especially now.
I do agree though with LMP2 being pretty close to LMP1 on a dollars/Euros/lbs vs lap time basis. Aside from homolgation concerns, why not beef up a LMP2 to LMP1 spec if it stands to be less expensive than a purpose built alternative? |
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I've long given up believing season budget estimates... With some Hollywood accounting, it can range from 5$ million to 250€ million. It only gets more complicated when manufacturers get involved and lend/give away hardware and support. The proof is in the pudding; if the actual grids are well garnished it means it made sense at some point - if people run the full season without playing musical chair and dropping out, we're onto something - and if good grids last for 3 straight years, we can start calling it sustainable.
For now, WEC P1 is looking halfway promising ON PAPER and P2 is looking like it will stay equally healthy or maybe even expand. The Super Season thingy and the fact that it'll start late are making it harder to know for sure, but as long as the economy sustains it, new entrants will inject millions into the sport for very little return. |
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'Reveal' of the new G60-LT-P1 will be broadcast live on Ginetta's Facebook page at 11 am UK time today
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