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But if the only reason is that particular posters do not want them and those posters are well know for being anti v8's. then i can only conclude its because of there anti v8 bias. Just give me 1 good reason Alfacors. no one has given one logical good reason yet |
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The interest in the event is that it is different and offers something that is not provided by the October race. Why would they want to erode that? Should GT's also be included in the October race? As for your financial concerns you probably need to be more specific - The race has a naming rights sponsor, Government backing, presenting and product sponsors along with entry fees, support cateogry entry fees before any spectator income is factored in. Not suggesting the event turns a massive profit but I dont think you need to be to concerned with the event financials They have - whether you choose to acknowledge it or not is a separate (internal) discussion |
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As that is my question, I am sure you don't mind me answering.
I wonder that that costs of organizing the event are covered be it by grant or sponsorship or entry fees or attendance. I think the event is a fantastic. I am disappointed in numbers, when you consider a free test day bought 17,000 to SMP 8,000 for such a fantastic event is poor. Don't get me wrong, I loved the level of access you could get and the availability of vantage points, I am planning to bring friends and family next time, as I found it a great event. My concern is that it be a going concern. If it loses money is that loss sustainable? It is covers itself then well and good and that gives it opportunity to grow. I would love to see this event grow, to see more and varied entries GT3, as well as the Performance Production cars. To see the last few hours shown on TV live, as that would start to open it up to more and more fans. Small steps for sure, but all of them are to be based on the question, is the event sustainable? |
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the inteerest that you talk about is less than 20,000 people. This would increase the interest. No GT's should not be in the 1000km race, they dont meet the criteris for the race as it is run inder a single class rule. that is a major difference. but if they did decide to change the rules, unlikely, i wont be sad about it as it is a good idea. See mark in the stands repsonse regarding the financial viability of the race. it is a much more detailed repsonse. but unless you know something regardings its financials then your answer does not provide the answers, And no there has not been logical good reason. If there has, name it |
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I understand you're suggesting inserting a class, rather than other more aggressive measures (i.e. BoP) that see V8SC entries shoehorned in to overall contention. It's seen as likening one event to its alternative, by however minimal a margin, regardless. As it is, there are two events that satisfy existing, and for the most part, separate interests - at least, economically. Why alter (and potentially damage) one, only to make it more like its existing, healthy alternative? |
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The event is sponsored and well supported from Government along with big grids. While this continues I am not sure what is driving your concern? |
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I say well, done, Good valid points. The sole purpose, from my opinion, is to increase the exposure of the the 12 hour race. I am sure no one is truly satisfied with only 8000 crowd and 10,000 watching online. It deserves more. Introducing V8 supercars to the event is solely about doing that. increasing exposure. |
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Isnt this a concern for any sport organisation though - nothing is forever?
Why over worry yourself now when you have multiple year contracts with sponsors, local council and NSW Government on the back of record grids? Sustainability is a challenge for all sports that they need to address with solid business and strategic plans however this isnt an issue only specific to the Bathurst 12 Hour. Peckstar - exposure increased from 2012 to 2013 without the need for V8SA - no reason why this cant continue 2013 to 2014 and beyond. Last edited by D.R.T.; 21 Feb 2013 at 04:38. |
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They aren't paying for the event
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and even though i missed the edit in the above quote Did the exposure increase. Slightly bigger crowd, the bulk of it from the extra teams themselves, but did more people watch. last year from memory there was pay tv of some sort. didnt happen this year. but a highlights package a week latter, any ratings yet? |
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The government contributiing to a permanent - multi use facility in line with a local council plan - yep I am ok with that.
"Did the exposure increase. Slightly bigger crowd" - You have just answered your own question. FTA TV was also another increase in exposure. |
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You worded your statement to infer they footed the bill for everything. They were a minor sponsor. Destination NSW has already been explained elsewhere. They utilise B12 as one of the major events for NSW, and even run a clip of it in their advertising.
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No i didnt answer the exposure question. As i dont know the ratings of the pay or FTA coverage at each event. I would think that less people watched it live in 2013 and i dont know about the replay. |
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Let me clarify a few things.
1. I'm not sure where the discussion about financial viability has sprung from, but it's completely irrelevant. DRT is correct (Post #178). Speculation on the business model of the event is silly because no one here, aside from the people who run it, can possibly know what business model is in place and whether it is financially viable or if it isn't. But if it weren't viable - it wouldn't be happening, would it. 2. There were way, way, way more than 10,000 watching online. Remember it was streamed through Speedcafe, Radio LeMans and Audi.tv, amongst others. Add another zero. or more. Final figures still being collated but the reach is good. 3. TV Ratings will be released soon. They were really good. 4. The NSW government is NOT paying for the event. Their Destination NSW Tourism arm has an interest in promoting their state internationally and that is what they do via the event and the international competitors that visit. They are an event partner. 5. Of course no one is 'Satisfied' with an 8,000 crowd on race day (though that is a legit number). But how many people go to a VFL game compared to an AFL game? How many people go to whatever the state-level League matches are called in Sydney, compared to an NRL game? Or Shield Cricket compared to a test? Let's be realistic. That's where the B12hr is in the motorsport landscape relative to other racing events. It's the equivalent to shield cricket or state footy. But it's growing and realising it's potential bit by bit. Bathurst is far enough away from Sydney to make it a big effort just to pop up for the day - and the event doesn't yet have the proliferation of 20,000 campers like October does (Emphasis on Yet - I reckon it will one day). 8,000 is solid. 10-12K would be brilliant. Any more and it loses it's charm. |
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If I was to hazard a guess I would say that this years online audience probably trebled. And the TV audience will more than likely reflect the same.
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Peck, whilst i know that you are going to deny it and try and support your argument by saying that you have said you want the event to be a success, it appears to me and maybe others that you are trying very hard to find holes in the event and your praise of it are thinly veiled.
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Obviously most of the spectators were motor racing enthusiasts, and we love the effectively open access in the pits to the teams & cars we got (Friday & Saturday evening was great, being able to stand in the pit lane & watch the teams prepare, practice pitstops, or in Audi's line all the cars up for a group promo shot), the ease of movement around the place for great views of the track and taking photo's etc... For the success of the event we'd all love a million people to attend, but with that would likely come added 'commercialism' and of course as you say it loses it charm and the 'open' nature of the event is lost. |
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