WEC Porsche GTP / Hypercar: factory and customer - Page 8

Pandamasque · 2 Jul 2011, 16:06 (Ref:2913966)

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Originally Posted by JAG

2014 P1's will be an evolution of current cars

Got any handy info on the lottery numbers?

2014 is in 3 years. That gives ACO a lot of time to radically change the proposed rules several times back and forth

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Originally Posted by JAG

Mclaren race a prototype ever other week, in F1, they can do so in P1, alongside their production based car in GTE.

So far they can't see any point in that, or so they say. It may be the same for others... like Ferrari for example. I bet Porsche would love to race their halo model-based racecar for the overall honours as well! Heck, maybe that's exactly what they have in mind.

JAG · 2 Jul 2011, 16:53 (Ref:2913982)

2014 regs are in the process of being put together, manufactuers wouldn't be building cars today if they were due to be scrapped in a couple of years.

The top class is for any manufactuer to demonstrate their technology, it's not reserved for £1m+ hypercars, produced in limited numbers, by a handful of manufactuers.

Mclaren and Ferrari's priority has been F1 for the past thirty years, Porsche, Audi, Peugeot, Toyota, Nissan etc., are who the ACO will be listening too.

arakis · 2 Jul 2011, 17:14 (Ref:2913991)

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Originally Posted by JAG

2014 regs are in the process of being put together, manufactuers wouldn't be building cars today if they were due to be scrapped in a couple of years.

The top class is for any manufactuer to demonstrate their technology, it's not reserved for £1m+ hypercars, produced in limited numbers, by a handful of manufactuers.

Mclaren and Ferrari's priority has been F1 for the past thirty years, Porsche, Audi, Peugeot, Toyota, Nissan etc., are who the ACO will be listening too.

I am preatty sure ACO would listen to Ferrari and McLaren as well.

arakis · 2 Jul 2011, 18:14 (Ref:2914009)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Mclaren and Ferrari's priority has been F1 for the past thirty years, Porsche, Audi, Peugeot, Toyota, Nissan etc., are who the ACO will be listening too.

in the last 20 years porsches priority was gt racing, prototype racing in LMP1 as preaty much abandoned n 1998, and wll return in 2014...thats not real being loyal to the sport now is it

MitchZ06 · 2 Jul 2011, 17:28 (Ref:2913994)

Especially if they could lure those 2 into P car programs...

Audi Racer · 2 Jul 2011, 20:16 (Ref:2914044)

Doesn;t Porcche have the biggest GT2 customer car program....how is that not loyal.....esta loca

The Badger · 2 Jul 2011, 23:44 (Ref:2914091)

And so what ..... Porsche have done more than anyother for sportscar racing ..... and I dont blame them one bit .

Porsche has done more than most , tell me im wrong .

While your at it ..... tell me who has done more ?

Acid09 · 2 Jul 2011, 23:50 (Ref:2914092)

Well, I´m not sure I like the "done something for sports car racing" thing... you make it sound like they did some charitable.

They competed a lot at Le Mans because it gave them great PR, because they sold lots of cars (especially in the Group C era) and made lots of money off their Le Mans reputation.

So yes, they´ve added a lot to the event's heritage but please don't make it sound like anybody owes Porsche anything.

The Badger · 3 Jul 2011, 00:19 (Ref:2914106)

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They competed a lot at Le Mans because it gave them great PR, because they sold lots of cars (especially in the Group C era) and made lots of money off their Le Mans reputation.

Jaguar wouldnt supply cars ..... just one privateer in Japan called SUNTEC , for one year .

Sauber ..... oh , they wouldnt sell chassis either .

Toyota sold the last years chassis .

Nissan ..... did a good job .

Mazda kept their howler to themselves .

Nobody made their chassis more available than Porsche , which also led to the demise of group C , cuz the others wouldnt supply the machinery .

Porsche have done tenfold more for sporstcar racing than anyone else ..... not through charity ..... but because of good , solid business sense .

They have made more money from GT2 , than Group C ever did .

Acid09 · 3 Jul 2011, 00:31 (Ref:2914113)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Nobody made their chassis more available than Porsche , which also led to the demise of group C , cuz the others wouldnt supply the machinery .

Porsche have done tenfold more for sporstcar racing than anyone else ..... not through charity ..... but because of good , solid business sense .

They have made more money from GT2 , than Group C ever did .

I agree, they made it because it made sense for them (especially financially).

I´m sure happy they´re coming back but some Porsche fans act like we should fall on our knees thanking Porsche for blessing us with their presence

The Badger · 2 Jul 2011, 23:55 (Ref:2914094)

..... Is your name Richard by any chance ?

The Badger · 3 Jul 2011, 01:38 (Ref:2914143)

Porsche have announced that they will return to their stomping ground ..... why shouldt we be delighted ?

Dont even bother answering that .......................

cdsvg · 3 Jul 2011, 05:14 (Ref:2914170)

What is the status of Dumas and Bernhard in terms of contracts with Audi/Porsche? I believe they are still officially Porsche works drivers but surely Audi will be wanting to try to hold on to them past 2014. If they cant, Audi have a lot of new seats to fill (assuming they stay involved after 2013).

Graham Goodwin · 3 Jul 2011, 06:57 (Ref:2914176)

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What is the status of Dumas and Bernhard in terms of contracts with Audi/Porsche? I believe they are still officially Porsche works drivers but surely Audi will be wanting to try to hold on to them past 2014. If they cant, Audi have a lot of new seats to fill (assuming they stay involved after 2013).

Both have Porsche works contracts

CTD · 3 Jul 2011, 07:59 (Ref:2914186)

Why do people keeps mentioning the 16years!?.
Porsche hasn't been away from Le Mans in 16years. They have raced both GT2 and a very successful LMP2!

The LMP900 2000 car was cancelled by some reason, that reason wont go away for a few years. Then the Spyder came, raced for 5 years, and now in 2011, they announce a LMP1 program again.
In my mind it proves that Porsche has tried different strategies, and having success in all of them, and therefor feel that the time has come to take on overall honours.

Arakis and Acid, do you really believe that Porsche can afford keeping a top running team at Le Mans for ever?.
Everybody need breakes, Porsche has taken theirs, and for crying out loud, be happy that they are back, instead of giving them sh*t about the LMP1 break. (This was mostly aimed at Arakis)

arakis · 3 Jul 2011, 09:30 (Ref:2917213)

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Arakis and Acid, do you really believe that Porsche can afford keeping a top running team at Le Mans for ever?.

And why not, Ferrari has been in F1 since its inseption, or simply put for ever, as put before it had a hell off a dry spell but they never quit. and it was and is more expensive to run a F1 program then a LMP1.

Although i do see that they wanted to be independant. but as soon as VW bought them they are back .

Audi Racer · 3 Jul 2011, 09:37 (Ref:2917215)

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Originally Posted by arakis

And why not, Ferrari has been in F1 since its inseption, or simply put for ever, as put before it had a hell off a dry spell but they never quit. and it was and is more expensive to run a F1 program then a LMP1

Ferrari and Marlboro.......Even though F1 cost money.......Theres is a large end of the year payout.......Not to mention the multimillion dollar sponsorsip from marlboro....Thats what keeps ferrari going....

arakis · 3 Jul 2011, 09:57 (Ref:2917229)

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Ferrari and Marlboro.......Even though F1 cost money.......Theres is a large end of the year payout.......Not to mention the multimillion dollar sponsorsip from marlboro....Thats what keeps ferrari going....

well not really through the tough years in the 80s, when ferrari was sold to FIAT. so I see how if porsche wanted to stay independant they had to abanton costly LMP projects, but now that they are VW they could stay in lmp1 for ever.

TF110 · 3 Jul 2011, 19:30 (Ref:2917582)

Porsche makes a lot of money. Just recently it was discussed if Porsche would be the lead company, and not VW. They've had the money to go LMP1 for a while. I think Audi being there was sort of a give away. Why run against someone in the same auto group? Let them have their 'limelight' then we'll come back and it'll be a two for one with both of our cars. Diesel has been brought to life- awesome for VW group. Now it's time for Hybrid to be brought to life with Porsche- awesome again! As much as it's pride, it's about auto sales and image as well.

Asa · 4 Jul 2011, 02:02 (Ref:2917708)

I just hope that Audi won't move out of the way to let Porsche win like it did for sister company Bentley.

Also hoping that Maserati will join LMP1 racing. IIRC, Luca di Montezemolo once said Porsche is Maserati's direct competitor in the market. Now Maserati has no racing programme and designer Aldo Costa is available after being released from Ferrari's F1 team. Time for Maserati to come to Le Mans.

chernaudi · 4 Jul 2011, 02:07 (Ref:2917709)

Marshall Pruett was just on Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain, and here's the major points in that interview:

1-Porsche seem to have an idea what the proposed 2014 rules may be, and it seems to be slanted towards cars that are slightly slower and notably cheaper than the current likes of the Audi R18 and Peugeot 908.

2-To add to that, it'll likely be a heavily customer based program, due to Porsche's history of selling cars to semi works and private teams.

3-As has been mentioned, Audi and the rest of VAG had no direct part in the program, at least thus far. Audi and VAG also didn't have any direct part in the start of this intended program. Also, Audi may or may not collaborate with Porsche in any way for this program.

And 4-It'll likely be a hybrid. With Porsche working on the hybrid technology, rumors that Peugeot's 908 successor may be a hybrid electric with a gasoline engine, and with the Audi R18 and Peugeot 908 being diesel electric hybrids starting at season's end, and with the success that the 911 GT3 Hybrid has had, there's no reason to see why Porsche can't or won't run a hybrid.

Basically, Porsche's desire to sell customer cars, make the racing a bit more affordable, and the green racing push have combined to make Porsche pull the trigger on getting their letter of intent out there, though Le Mans 2014 is three years away, and who knows what'll happen within that time frame.

JAG · 4 Jul 2011, 02:15 (Ref:2917710)

If, but, maybe.........speculation.

Spyderman · 4 Jul 2011, 06:24 (Ref:2917730)