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Agreed - but one of those rights is not to dictate to others to stop posting.
Back to hybrids - is it confirmed that BTCC will go hybrid, or will we see an alternative 'full electric' solution? Could be the ideal time to see a Volvo Estate back in the BTCC - when they have their full range running on E-power. |
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- There will be a spec hybrid unit fitted to all cars - Each car will "have a reserve of supplementary hybrid power available during each race, which can then be used by drivers as part of the race strategy." - The technical side of the project starts now and should take 12-18 months - "Some current cars will be fitted with hybrid units during 2020/2021 as part of the project’s test and development programme." - It will most likely be some form of push-to-pass system Regarding cost, Alan Gow says... Quote:
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This is what worries me - sounds like F1-style DRS or KERS or whatever it is. A gimmick that the BTCC absolutely does not need or should have.
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Plenty of ways of fitting a supplementary power system that doesn't involve driving another axle. All depends on what sort of power they're talking about and for how long.
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If it's a proper regen-hybrid with a maximum capacity and power output I think it could make things really, really interesting - it's the exact analogue of turning up the fuel mix to grab more power at the end of a race as they used to do in both F1 and IndyCar. |
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Having thought about it some more: personally, with success ballast, tyre options and random reverse grids I am completely okay with no more gimmicky 'features' being added to 'enhance' the racing.
Will it entice old-fashioned manufacturer support, or even just more of the current style? Will it raise the profile of the series? Give it 'green' credentials? Will it produce better racing compared with no hybrid? I feel like there aren't a lot of 'yes' responses to the above. I said I'd be happy to be proven wrong and I am, but... |
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The change from BSCC came about because the average car was no longer saloon - even though some people still refer to it as saloon car racing. Before anyone says this is different to the domestic hybrid cars, well that is also true of nearly everything else in a NGTC car - but doesn't stop the championship being positioned as one that sees 'standard family cars' racing on circuits. |
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It's ok, we don't have to worry about it till 2022. So we can enjoy the current lot for now
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Hmmm... not against hybrid at all, push to pass is not a bad thing as it can generate overtakes where we otherwise wouldn't get them.
My brain is preprogrammed to think Toyota whenever the word hybrid comes into view. Certainly an opportunity for car makers to showcase technology, even if the reality being what's on the roadcar differs significantly from what's on the racecar. So, will the technical change mean all existing NGTC cars become redundant and everyone will need new to accommodate the hybrid systems? Or might they be able to be bolted on to existing cars? |
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The way I'm reading it is that it will be an extension of the NGTC regs, and that the bit in bold is probably the aim (presumably with modifications to subframe(s) or similar) - but in reality no one knows. That, presumably, will be part of the work the technical working group will be doing for the next year and a half. The only thing that can be said with confidence based on today's press release really is that BTCC will go hybrid - everything else is TBC... |
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Money seems tight for some teams, im not so sure the likes of Hard, AMD, Parker will be able to deal with getting new spec cars in considering they have been running cars which, lets be polite, are a bit second hand |
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I'm sure it'll still be NGTC, but version 3 of it.
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Alan Gow did previously express a desire to limit the grids to 26 cars.
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The system (like many appearing in road cars) will probably drive directly through the engine or gearbox, this means FWD and RWD formats can still be used. Hybrid batteries, motors and controllers are relatively cheap these days - I would say around 5-10k for a robust system, which is nothing compared to the build cost of a NGTC spec car. It could have the potential to reduce brake wear or allow smaller brakes - over a season it could almost break even.
Hopefully the marketing departments of the manufacturers will love it and jump on the bandwagon bringing loads of sponsorship in. |
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I agree with Matt Neal that they should vary the format of the races a little here and there. I would personally like to see a couple of extended races per year, maybe even make the Jack Sears trophy the reward for winning the race?
I would also like to see the night race return, though that probably wouldnt go down well with the live TV aspect. |
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maybe bring back a proper "feature" race with pitstops or even go as far as a driver change endurance style for the last round of the season Also if they want to call it the "option" tyre make it a bloody option! |
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Our US brothers turn out and tune in to many a race that runs 'til late in the evening; so I think fans would not be a major stumbler: especially if you placed the night race before a non-school day: i.e. the Sunday of a bank holiday weekend or a Saturday evening. Lighting the track would cost, but needn't necessarily be crippling. Plastic light columns and LEDs. Stumbling blocks are likely with noise restrictions I should think: you'd be needing a circuit without near neighbours. You'd also realistically be needing plenty of camping provision so folks aren't trying to drive home when tired out or on non existant public transport. |
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