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The F1 Working Group felt that releasing a car without the wheel being safely attached warranted the automatic punishment of a drive-through plus a ten place grid penalty at the next race. They, including Red Bull's Christian Horner who voted in favour of this penalty, did not deem it necessary to include a clause stating that mitigating circumstances should be taken into consideration. So, this punishment will be the same for any team, including a theoretical team whose car gets out of the pits, wheel falls off because it was not attached properly, and crashes into the barriers thereby causing a DNF. By allowing the stewards discretion, the team would be pleading that they had been punished sufficiently by the car failing to finish the race. As it is now, there can be no ifs or buts - you transgress ( as Horner seems to acknowledge they did) you take your punishment as laid out in the rule book which is the same for every team in the pit lane. As for the severity of the penalty and it's application to misdeeds of varying levels of offence, I am not aware of this being the case. This particular penalty for the release of a car with an unsecured wheel was introduced purely for safety reasons; I would hope that all other infractions that inpact on safety would be treated exactly the same. Other automatic penalties, though, do include just a drive-through, a stop and go, a 3,5 or 10 place grid penalty, there is also extra time added to the cars race time and even exclusion. These are the rules and regulations that Red Bull, as well as all the other teams, have signed up for when they applied to the FIA to enter this year's championship. Please do not expect any team to plead, once they have entered the championship, that they do not believe that all the rules apply to them. |
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I don't agree with what is happening in F1 because it is not fair, reasonable or conducive to good judicial decisions, and fair competition. I know what the rules say but they are not all that good for the sport and they are not helping the sport. In fact I believe the FIA is creating a rod for its own back... |
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How on earth can Magnussen have been penalised?! By a stupid arse system intent on finding fault for a perfect demonstration of a racing incident. Raikkonen, if anything, was the one more at fault but even then, it was a nothing moment.
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for sure you dont want to discourage drivers from taking chances and if KR's tire wasnt punctured then i dont think they would have given a penalty.
but that has to be balanced by common sense. far too many opportunities are already given to the following driver so im not sure im at the point where im willing to give a driver credit for 'attempting a maneuver'. either they pull it off or they dont and if they dont they risk a penalty...perhaps thats more of an incentive to get it right. in fairness though before DRS it used to be the other way around. with so many rule changes over the past decade its hard to know where the line for racing incident in F1 is anymore imo. |
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I'm afraid I think it's bad news that he was quite good as it sets a ghastly precedent for random celebrities doing this job. I think I am right in saying that up to now it has always been someone with real F1 experience, past champions, drivers, team owners etc, the fact that Benedict did a good job does not change my opinion that having random "A" list celebs will often be dreadful.
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concerning DR's unsafe release, there seemed to be a number of issues that added up to what i though was a potentially dangerous scenario. i get that nothing bad happened but thats not really the standard is it?
unsafe release from not attaching the tire, making his way down pit lane with a wobbly tire (which i imagine he could see), pulling over in front of another team's pit, waiting for his team to collect him while hoping no one else needed the pitlane, his entire crew running down pitlane, some without helmets on i believe, getting pushed back and blocking more garages, and possibly then getting released with a broken front wing (i dont know how the wing broke i just assumed the team did it while trying to get his car back on the jacks). anyways it was a complete gong show. i probably would have black flagged them the moment he parked in front of another teams garage. allowing them to go back out and salvage their race was very considerate imo. i can understand why RB are unhappy, even agree with them on the sensor issue, but this was a well deserved penalty imo. |
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Slighty OT, couldn't resist this. This is what the conspiracy theorists will say about Ricciardo's bad luck
Ricciardo is a driver who can challenge Vettel so he's left no stone unturned. In Australia, Seb retired early so he could muck around with the FIA fuel flow reader for Ricciardo's car, so he would be DQed. Onto Malaysia and Vettel has given Dan's crew a faulty air gun and taken bolts off the front wing and voila. Then after the race he alerts the stewards about a compulsory additional penalty, hence the ten place drop. Don't worry, I am not one of those people who would believe this, I just wanted to lighten the mood! BTW, I agree that Kevin shouldn't have been punished. The stewards might have well asked him not to come, if they feel they should punish him. |
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Vettel and Rosberg continue their post quali bickering during the post race interviews.
Rosberg: "I had a really good start, so I was happy about that because it's not so easy this year. "The rear tyres are harder and we have more torque. So it's very difficult to get it right - but it felt great and got away well and then Sebastian… I thought he was going to put me right into the wall, but he stopped just before - so thank you for that!" Vettel: "I had a similar experience last year..." Rosberg: "That doesn't make it right to do it again!" Two unhappy sausages then... |
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Rod Nelson, chief test and support engineer, said if Bottas couldn't catch and pass Button, Bottas would've had to let Massa past.
Nelson: “He did not do what we would have preferred him to do. “Felipe was running fairly high temperatures on his engine and we were a little bit concerned about it, and Valtteri had much fresher tyres than Jenson did. We thought that it would be good to give Valtteri a go at getting past Jenson.” “If he hadn’t achieved it within two or three laps, we would have swapped our drivers over again and everyone would have been happy. “It’s not a big deal, every team does it. It’s not team orders, it’s a strategic decision based on the relative performance of both cars.” So Bottas would've slowed down at the last corner and let Massa pass him?? Hmm.. |
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Then the correct message would have been:
"Felipe, Bottas' tyres are fresher than yours let him have a go at Button, if he can't get through he will give you the place back!" If Bottas doesn't get through and doesn't give the place back, he no longer has a drive at Williams! Simple! |
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Massa is a terrible team player tbh. He's been living off that Hockenheim debacle for near four years now.
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but is that something he trades on or is that something that his fans (of which i count myself) use to build him up with? i cant recall another time where he blatantly disobeyed team orders so its a bit unfair to label him a bad team player imo. although its not too late for him to go all Barrichello on everyone. |
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