[WEC] LMP Future Regulations (was Le Mans EVO rules - now hypercar rules)

[MitchZ06]

Originally Posted by littleman

These new rules are, to most people, are an unnecessary complicated mess which only techno nerds and window lickers can possibly understand.I don't know anyone who makes the annual pilgrimage to La Sarthe each year, who gives a toss about Hybrid systems or how far a car can travel on 4.63 litres of fuel!

They go for raw speed, power, fun and spine-tingling excitement.Sure the technology is very clever but so is quantum physics and who wants to watch that.

So in regards to GrC we could say who gives a toss about how far a car can travel on X amount of litres over the course of the race?

Please, move on from clinging to the past (there is still GrC cars racing today if you search them out...) and do what the ACO has done, embrace todays tech and run with it.

The current rules are the jumbled mess, these new rules are so idiot proof in simplicity that all you need to do is look at the very clear and simply laid out table that lists how much your car can weigh and how much fuel it is allowed per lap.

[The Badger]

Excuse me for saying , but unless Im missing the point , fuel formula would be a very relevant formula in this day and age .....

[henk4]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

So in regards to GrC we could say who gives a toss about how far a car can travel on X amount of litres over the course of the race?

Please, move on from clinging to the past (there is still GrC cars racing today if you search them out...) and do what the ACO has done, embrace todays tech and run with it.

The current rules are the jumbled mess, these new rules are so idiot proof in simplicity that all you need to do is look at the very clear and simply laid out table that lists how much your car can weigh and how much fuel it is allowed per lap.

Fully agree....(and Group C racing just finished here, a 45 minute race, of which 30 were spent behind the safety car.)

[henk4]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Excuse me for saying , but unless Im missing the point , fuel formula would be a very relevant formula in this day and age .....

perhaps there are still those who believe in the infinite supply of fossile fuels...

[MitchZ06]

I should say however from my point of view, I like the new regs *BUT* I do still hope we get those loud racing engines, the whooshy diesels and hybrids, I do not want to see all electric or all hybrid fields...

[henk4]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

I should say however from my point of view, I like the new regs *BUT* I do still hope we get those loud racing engines, the whooshy diesels and hybrids, I do not want to see all electric or all hybrid fields...

Toyota Hybrids are full of noise...Audi Hybrids are whooshy, Ferraris are unpleasant to listen too...

[MitchZ06]

I for one hope atleast someone puts the Corvette engine to use in a LMP...want a loud thunderous V8 roar? Corvette all the way!

[henk4]

what I have missed (overlooked?) in the discussion here sofar is that ACO wants to something about the strong lightbeams that some cars seem to have. To me this would for instance concern the Rebellion Lolas (simply can't call them Lotus)

[NaBUru38]

Some of you have been complaining about a possible lack of LMP1 entries in 2014. How about Having LMP2-Pro with free lineups for teams like Pescarolo, Strakka, JRM, Signatec, etc, and a LMP2-Am for amateurs?

[Jake34]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Some of you have been complaining about a possible lack of LMP1 entries in 2014. How about Having LMP2-Pro with free lineups for teams like Pescarolo, Strakka, JRM, Signatec, etc, and a LMP2-Am for amateurs?

LMP2 is perfect, leave it be.

In 2014 privateers will be allowed to run without a hybrid and at a lower weight than factories, they'll have a greater choice of engines, for example Pescarolo believes the Judd V10 is a more suitable endurance engine than the V8, they could also look at engines produced for F1 and Indycar.

Chassis will be available if there is a market, Wirth will almost certainly build a car, Dome have shown interest, a German company in one of a number looking to purchase Lola, and you have people like Delta (ex Reynard) eyeing up LMP1.

[Jake34]

Originally Posted by littleman

These new rules are, to most people, are an unnecessary complicated mess which only techno nerds and window lickers can possibly understand.I don't know anyone who makes the annual pilgrimage to La Sarthe each year, who gives a toss about Hybrid systems or how far a car can travel on 4.63 litres of fuel!

They go for raw speed, power, fun and spine-tingling excitement.Sure the technology is very clever but so is quantum physics and who wants to watch that.

Give me a Chevvy V8, a V10 Viper, a V12 Aston or best of all, some sort of twin turbo Nissan "nutter *******" engine which produces 2,000 bhp before its pistons melt.

Then take out the Mulsanne chicanes and see if some loony Frenchman will attempt to hit 300mph during qualifying.

I would travel along way and pay good money to see that - and I did throughout the 80's!

The new rules are a welcome simplification.

At present you are limited with engine choice, and have restrictors to limit power. In 2014 engine choice will be almost entirely free, your only limit is your fuel allocation over a single lap, the benefit of this is the same engines and technology can be developed over a prolonged period, and the ACO can control speeds simply by reducing fuel allocation each season (which is also good for green credentials). This could literally mean engine regulations never need change again, ever, as there aren't any regs to begin with!

It will be very interesting to see how a particular engine improves over, say, a five year period, just as we saw the Porsche flat six get more powerful and better fuel economy with ever stricter Group C fuel allocations.

The new rules open up the possibilty for Corvette to use their V8 in P1, likewise Nissans 1.6 Turbo, someone else can use an F1 engine, another an Indycar engine, just ensure the engine can meet the fuel limit.

[cdsvg]

Anybody know when we'll see the full 2014 chassis rules?

[Maelochs]

They were supposed to be approved and published Friday, but I have been too busy to check.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

They were supposed to be approved and published Friday, but I have been too busy to check.

They were approved, but not published yet: http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....postcount=2162

[davehenrie]

Originally Posted by henk4

perhaps there are still those who believe in the infinite supply of fossile fuels...

Actually, there is a new theory, based partly on the latest discoveries of embedded oil, that yes, there is a much larger quantity of oil than previously thought. Hydrocarbon fuels appear to be spread in vast shale deposits in much greater density than previously suspected. This gives rise to the notion that 'fossil fuel' is a misnomer and does not fully describe the process which creates oil in what is essentially sea floor, not the most inviting playground for the hundreds of millions of extinct creatures needed to create the huge amounts of oil being discovered.
Infinite? Perhaps not, but certainly no where near the end of the modern world scenario that has been painted.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by davehenrie

Actually, there is a new theory, based partly on the latest discoveries of embedded oil, that yes, there is a much larger quantity of oil than previously thought. Hydrocarbon fuels appear to be spread in vast shale deposits in much greater density than previously suspected. This gives rise to the notion that 'fossil fuel' is a misnomer and does not fully describe the process which creates oil in what is essentially sea floor, not the most inviting playground for the hundreds of millions of extinct creatures needed to create the huge amounts of oil being discovered.
Infinite? Perhaps not, but certainly no where near the end of the modern world scenario that has been painted.

Have a look at the shale deposits in Canada and check how and at what cost and with what environmental damage these hydrocarbons have to be produced...I am sure you will agree with that if this type of production is absolutely necessary to fulfill our basic needs, than motorsport is not one of these needs.

[Spyderman]

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[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by davehenrie

Actually, there is a new theory, based partly on the latest discoveries of embedded oil, that yes, there is a much larger quantity of oil than previously thought. Hydrocarbon fuels appear to be spread in vast shale deposits in much greater density than previously suspected. This gives rise to the notion that 'fossil fuel' is a misnomer and does not fully describe the process which creates oil in what is essentially sea floor, not the most inviting playground for the hundreds of millions of extinct creatures needed to create the huge amounts of oil being discovered.
Infinite? Perhaps not, but certainly no where near the end of the modern world scenario that has been painted.

Oops! That's not part of "the narrative". Next they will be calling you names and insulting your intelligence.

[davehenrie]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

I for one hope atleast someone puts the Corvette engine to use in a LMP...want a loud thunderous V8 roar? Corvette all the way!

LMPc/FLM

[davehenrie]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Oops! That's not part of "the narrative". Next they will be calling you names and insulting your intelligence.

I think I have done a pretty good job insulting my own intelligence for years.

[Spyderman]

...but they will be happy to assist.

[ger80]

Originally Posted by Jake34

LMP2 is perfect, leave it be.

In 2014 privateers will be allowed to run without a hybrid and at a lower weight than factories, they'll have a greater choice of engines, for example Pescarolo believes the Judd V10 is a more suitable endurance engine than the V8, they could also look at engines produced for F1 and Indycar.

Chassis will be available if there is a market, Wirth will almost certainly build a car, Dome have shown interest, a German company in one of a number looking to purchase Lola, and you have people like Delta (ex Reynard) eyeing up LMP1.

You have more about Delta? Is that why they support ADR?

[chewymonster]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

They've got that wrong. Privateer cars (which are not required to use ERS) can weigh 830; Factory cars (which are required to use ERS) must weigh 850.

A nice break for privateers.

Diesel has about 10% more energy per liter but the new rules give gas engines 20-25% more fuel flow and tank size.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by chewymonster

Diesel has about 10% more energy per liter but the new rules give gas engines 20-25% more fuel flow and tank
size.

silently admitting that with Peugeot gone the need for diesels is no longer high on the ACO agenda.

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by henk4

silently admitting that with Peugeot gone the need for diesels is no longer high on the ACO agenda.

Here we agree 100%.