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Seems that a GTE-spec 650S may be contemplated by McLaren in the future:
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I'll believe it when I see it. Weren't they making the exact same statements when the 12C GT3 came out originally?
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12C GT3 was originally a GT2.
Considering how close to a GTE the 650S GT3 looks I think a bit more stock can be put into this one. |
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if mclaren has already a "GTE tuned" engine, 650 GT3 needs just some revised part (splitter, diffuser and rear wing) to become GTE.
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The ball is basically in the court of the ACO/FIA now. Would love to see McLaren back at Le Mans.
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I think if the ACO allows race specific turbo systems in GTEs we'll see a 650S GTE tomorrow. Seems to be the biggest sticking point as far as I can gather.
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What did you mean by a "race specific" turbo system? Does Mclaren not want to run the stock turbo?
If so I don't see why they shouldn't allow a more robust turbo charger considering all the grants the other manufacturers have received. The engine would still be legal in all other aspects, less than 8 cylinders. Less than 4.0 liters, less than 25psi boost. |
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LMGTE rules specify that the road car's turbo system must be used (turbos, BoVs, etc) and not race specific parts as allowed in GT3. Bit of a sticking point....also the 650S GT3 engine is a V8TT, 3.8L (rules allow 8cyl turbos).
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'LMGTE rules'? What, the same stuff I use to wipe my *** when I go to toilet, is that it?
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If they want a race specific turbo system, they'll be allowed it. If they wanted to run the F1 GTR they'd be allowed. If they wanted to run Senna's Honda, they'd be allowed... |
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And that allowance is probably what they're waiting on....
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Why not just run the engine normally aspirated? A 3.8L V8 in race trim should have no trouble putting out the GTE class standard 450ish hp. The Ford GT had its supercharger removed.
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McLaren sells high performance turbocharged cars, not N/A cars. Wouldn't work with marketing.
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So why doesn't bmw's Z4 GTE run in the wec? All the talk about bop is useless because is it really needed in every thread? We should be happy theres cars that could run soon.
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Did I miss something? I want them to run a race specific turbo. I know the ACO will let them do just that because it's a manufacturer. The rest of that was a joke. I don't really care that they are allowed it because everyone else got waivers.
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I wasnt directing that specifically at you. But the "bop is evil, it makes racing a sham" is a tired talking point.
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Wasnt too slow at Daytona!
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about mclaren turbo
2012 : SRT viper fielded a car with an engine over the max. displacement = obtained a waiver 2013 : BMW fielded a car with a swapped engine from another model = obtained a waiver why mclaren should not receive a waiver to use a racing turbo? To me the hardest part for mclaren is to tune the engine to make it reliable for 24 hours with the same competitive torque curve of the gt3 version (>600Nm for the most of the rpm range) even with shorter restriction and less final power/lower redline. More or less the same kind of work done by ferrari for the 4.5 V8 of 458: 458 GT3 = 540Nm@6000rpm -> 540hp@8000-8500rpm 458 GTE = 550Nm@5500rpm -> 480hp@6500rpm the GTE engine has an higher torque curve even if the car uses shorter restrictors (usually 2x43 for 458 GT3 vs. 2x28.3 for 458 GTE) Last edited by carbon_titanium; 2 Jul 2014 at 08:17. |
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Of course it is but since BoP -and waivers- are so common in the class today it is pretty much the default talking point... why is that car so fast/slow, why does it run differently than last weekend, why does that car have something the others don't, why does etc etc. We cannot ignore and pretend they don't exist, right now they are as integral part of every GT car as are say the drivers. It is there to decide the outcome in the same manner. Hence when someone brings up the GTE "rulebook" it's rightaway point of conflict
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Theres rules. Baselines for vehicles able to race. If there werent you would see dtm/gt500 cars in gte (which would be cool imo lol).
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As I always say, unlike in the past there are now more like general guidelines than actual rules in LMGTE. As in if there's a section that forbids the use of item X, it's less about "YOU CAN'T DO THIS" but more in the spirit of what they say on the side of the cigarette boxes ie "smoking is bad for you" = "you shouldn't do this but if you still want you can". So yes as a whole the models have to kinda conform the general idea of the regs to prevent what you said from happening but if literally any section of it can be ignored and granted exceptions it's not really a rulebook is it, just something that vaguely explains what the organizers would wish manufacturers to present to them...
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