New Porsche prototype (merged threads) - Page 9

jhansen · 21 Jul 2005, 15:56 (Ref:1360201)

The ALMS site has some images up from the Estoril test and other PR shots:

http://www.americanlemans.com/galler...ery.aspx?ID=25

Notice here you can see car #7 in the background.

http://www.americanlemans.com/Galler...2005984862.JPG

tblincoe · 21 Jul 2005, 18:43 (Ref:1360321)

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Originally Posted by jhansen

The ALMS site has some images up from the Estoril test and other PR shots:

http://www.americanlemans.com/galler...ery.aspx?ID=25

Notice here you can see car #7 in the background.

http://www.americanlemans.com/Galler...2005984862.JPG

great eyes there... good to know that they already have two chassis completed and ready to go.

awegrzyn · 21 Jul 2005, 18:53 (Ref:1360326)

Somehow I'm not impressed with the new design of LMP2 cars. Even this new Porsche seems ugly in the rear part of it. The new LMP2 cars seem skinny in the back and they are raised slightly too high for my taste. The new Lola, Luccini and the Porsche share the same characteristics I do not like. Maybe I’m the only one complaining, but I preferred the LMP designed better (Lister, Dallara, Audi, Bentley, Dyson’s Lola, Dome). Not to mention DBA (Zytek), that car is drop dead gorgeous.

JAG · 21 Jul 2005, 18:59 (Ref:1360331)

Hate the Dyson Lola myself.

Looks like an F3 car with bodywork!

Personally I like the chunckier look of the LMP2s.

On track the ride hight looks similar to the old cars.

**Adam43** · 21 Jul 2005, 19:08 (Ref:1360339)

RS Spyder? eh. I'll get used to it. A Porsche for the lighter class, apt.

I like it (for a topless one!). I'm pleased to see it on track. It seems everything went well and some Penske boys were there too. I want it to race, now!

gi_gav · 21 Jul 2005, 19:50 (Ref:1360369)

Strange but with driver in place the Porsche looks bigger that I'd expected from the promo shots, especially in this one:

http://www.americanlemans.com/Galler...0059551140.JPG

In terms of P2 design, the thing I dislike is the 'mudguard' look that spoils the rear view.

lj79 · 21 Jul 2005, 20:24 (Ref:1360396)

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Originally Posted by lj79

For footage try the Porsche AG website.

This is video footage. Looks ok, sounds fantastic

The Badger · 21 Jul 2005, 20:30 (Ref:1360400)

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Originally Posted by jhansen

The ALMS site has some images up from the Estoril test and other PR shots:

http://www.americanlemans.com/galler...ery.aspx?ID=25

Notice here you can see car #7 in the background.

http://www.americanlemans.com/Galler...2005984862.JPG

7 is an old Joest number ..... wishfull thinking !!!

jhansen · 21 Jul 2005, 20:37 (Ref:1360408)

I like the attention being paid to driver safety on the newer cars. Much more cockpit surround protection.

At first I thought the car looked tidy and nothing more. After watching the video during the ALMS broadcast I was much more impressed with the way the car moved and sounded. The design is definitely growing on me.

As far as size is concerned, nothing says a P2 car has to be small. Some of the 675 designed cars are quite close to the 900 cars size wise.

jhansen · 21 Jul 2005, 20:40 (Ref:1360414)

Link to video and wallpaper size pics here:

http://www2.us.porsche.com/usa/

Just click the Porsche RS Spyder link at the bottom.

TheNewBob · 21 Jul 2005, 20:51 (Ref:1360428)

That's a lovely sounding car! Can't wait to see it hit the races!

**Adam43** · 21 Jul 2005, 21:39 (Ref:1360462)

The video is good. Crash.net remarks that the Estoril circuit seems bumpy in the Porsche. It does, but it also indicates the Porsche porpoises a little. A trait of many racing cars. Of course it is early days in set-up.

TheNewBob · 21 Jul 2005, 21:44 (Ref:1360464)

when it's night time I'm too tired to work out what the word "porpoises" means lol - what a word for this time of night hehe

**Adam43** · 21 Jul 2005, 22:16 (Ref:1360481)

I must admit I've always thought it odd. It is better than "bouncies up and down at the front a lot" though!

BSchneiderFan · 21 Jul 2005, 23:32 (Ref:1360498)

Nice. Very nice. Can't wait for Petit Le Mans, but I'm very disappointed that Penske has no plans to go to La Sarthe next year. Alas!

MulsanneMike · 21 Jul 2005, 23:33 (Ref:1360499)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

The video is good. Crash.net remarks that the Estoril circuit seems bumpy in the Porsche. It does, but it also indicates the Porsche porpoises a little. A trait of many racing cars. Of course it is early days in set-up.

It would seem to be going a bit out on the limb to say the Porsche porpoises based on a short video clip at what is admittedly a bumpy track. Typically when you use the word porpoise you are speaking of an aero. induced instability and not speaking of what is expected to be the normal up and down undulations a car will undergo on a bumpy circuit.

**skycafe** · 21 Jul 2005, 23:59 (Ref:1360504)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I want it to race, now!

Yes, the waiting is the toughest part! Glad to see the test footage of it romping around, but sure can't wait to see what it does in battle!!!

robert.

**skycafe** · 22 Jul 2005, 00:06 (Ref:1360507)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

"bouncies up and down at the front a lot" though!

Wow, on the page before this in thread you are talking about liking it even if it is 'topless,' and here you go with the quote above.......just what sort of bars is it you go to.......?

The Badger · 22 Jul 2005, 06:08 (Ref:1360572)

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Originally Posted by TheNewBob

when it's night time I'm too tired to work out what the word "porpoises" means lol - what a word for this time of night hehe

It means the car is like a fish !!!

The Badger · 22 Jul 2005, 06:16 (Ref:1360576)

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Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

It would seem to be going a bit out on the limb to say the Porsche porpoises based on a short video clip at what is admittedly a bumpy track. Typically when you use the word porpoise you are speaking of an aero. induced instability and not speaking of what is expected to be the normal up and down undulations a car will undergo on a bumpy circuit.

Porpoising normally refers to a front splitter issue I think ?

**Bentley03** · 22 Jul 2005, 07:06 (Ref:1360590)

Just incredible! Can't explain just how good it feels to see a new Porsche prototype hit the track.

I have to say that sadly on this side of the pond, it could be a very long time before we get to see it race. Commissioned by Porsche North America for customers to run in the ALMS. No plans to include Le Mans in the 2006 schedule nor for that matter any LMES races. And given that the car has been built specifically to sell to customers I have become increasingly doubtful about the prospect of an LMP1 effort.

rdjones · 22 Jul 2005, 07:14 (Ref:1360596)

I have too say it looks the business, but I am not sure about the name, they could have come up with something better than the "RS Spyder"

**Adam43** · 22 Jul 2005, 07:33 (Ref:1360612)

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Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

It would seem to be going a bit out on the limb to say the Porsche porpoises based on a short video clip at what is admittedly a bumpy track. Typically when you use the word porpoise you are speaking of an aero. induced instability and not speaking of what is expected to be the normal up and down undulations a car will undergo on a bumpy circuit.

I agree it means little - it is early days too. While porpoising is generally aero isn't it normally induced by a bump on the circuit? However my comment was only a minor one due to the earlyness of test programme and single track.

Considering whether Estoril is bumpy (independent of porpoising or not). It is bumpy, but I would imagine not as much as most of the circuits in America this will race on.

MulsanneMike · 22 Jul 2005, 10:29 (Ref:1360694)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Porpoising normally refers to a front splitter issue I think ?

Not necessarily. Just a general aerodynamic instability that is ride height related. In general the issue is typified by increasing downforce that brings the nose down and then a stall, popping the nose back up. This cyclical up and down movement from gaining and then loosing downforce is the "porpoise".

MulsanneMike · 22 Jul 2005, 10:35 (Ref:1360701)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I agree it means little - it is early days too. While porpoising is generally aero isn't it normally induced by a bump on the circuit?

Generally it is caused by an over sensitivity to ride height vs. downforce. The underbody does gain downforce as its ride height is reduced; that is normal. But porpoising is typified by a sudden gain (that the dampening system can't compensate for) that sucks the nose to the ground which then chokes the underfloor causing it to pop back up, which is then cyclically repeated as the car moves down the track typically at high speed.

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