Group 5 BMW 320's. - Page 9

driftwood · 15 Jul 2009, 22:32 (Ref:2502512)

thanks for info
it does appear leim simonsen ran schnitzer not m12 power
also looking up PrinzLeopoled vion Bayern data he was born in a castle near Freiburg which is middle germany near Basle
of course the family "ruled" Bavaria which is Munich down to austria

LvB has now a clothing Company my german freind googled and will try a direct line to this company for info whilst i try kenneth on the phone again tomorrow
i was told there was once a folder with papers on the car but it has dissappeared with time/house moves etc

this car cannot just dissapear for 3 years!

driftwood · 16 Jul 2009, 08:57 (Ref:2502641)

Finally spoke with Kenneth Leim today
he advises he has no papers or photos of when he had the car but he did run car in the white paint with red blue stripes on bonnet
he bought car in Germany in 1982 after the 935 porsche deal fell through because car was X price then owner sent car to factory for rebuild and cost doubled so he could not afford to buy the car
he heard through another german friend about this ex works 320i for sale
he cannot recall the mans name but said he was an Architect lived in a small town ( possibly 50 000 residents) and was connected to the Ford dealer in the town as the bimmer was stored there

when he got the car home he found it did not have all the works parts and they had lawyers involved as it was not a works car as the german had said
This car had schintzer engine fitted he did the silverstone 1000 km race and at Spa the motor blew
the car then sat in garage til 84 when Christer Simonsen bought the car and fitted another bmw motor to race locally
here i find info on the car all in Finnish
http://www.geocities.com/baltiss/CommodoreBMW.html

So im back to square one
i need to locate gustav fischer and who is the german selling the car in 82
anyone here have ADAC connections?

Alex E · 16 Jul 2009, 12:18 (Ref:2502724)

Simonsen said he thought the town they bought the car from was beginning with an `H`, but not Hannover.
Albrecht Krebs was an architect & his company was based in the right area and began with an `H`. I tried to speak to Krebs & also ran his name past Leim but he thought it was not right.

Krebs would not have a car with a non competetive engine I don`t think. But it might have been just as a spare car lying around.

Alex

kurtiejjj · 19 Jul 2009, 12:50 (Ref:2504169)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex E

Simonsen said he thought the town they bought the car from was beginning with an `H`, but not Hannover.

Perhaps Hildesheim or Halle?

Frank de Jong · 22 Jul 2009, 11:21 (Ref:2506000)

Krebs was from Hanau...

driftwood · 22 Jul 2009, 12:43 (Ref:2506044)

found his company in hanau sent email last week zilch back

driftwood · 26 Jul 2009, 00:09 (Ref:2508096)

found a photo of BMW run by Gerhard Reiss mountain racing
car is white with black stripes on rof and bonnet same as Leim described and ran his car in Silverstone 82 race
rear wing front arch and door mirror fire pull all look the same Reiss entered as
team reiis Immobilien ( an estate agent)
found his website he is based south west of Frankfurt ring road
he shared turbo warsteiner car with Krebs in 79 WCM events which i think is the fruit of the loom car krebs had in 78

Krebs is based east of Frankfurt and an architect so as we say in UK "birds of a feather flock together?"

On Monday i will cal kenneth leim throw this info at him then get my german friend to call both these guys

anyone have 79 80 81 mountain race results fotos with Gerd/Gerhard Reiss running 320 likely to be schnitzer powered not M12 motor

driftwood · 27 Jul 2009, 10:28 (Ref:2508981)

My german friend has called gerd Reiss and i am now a smiley biy with teh info i received
Reiss has confirmed he did buy his bmw 320 from Gustav fischer and did sell the car to kenneth leim through another guy but as i have come to expect after 30 years the memory is not so good and he has no records or photos
with this brief info i am now sending email with photos and list of questions to get some fuller answers

who has a collection of German race magazines Race and rally from 77-82?

kurtiejjj · 27 Jul 2009, 11:23 (Ref:2509039)

I have a collection, I dunno what you want to know?

driftwood · 27 Jul 2009, 14:13 (Ref:2509232)

1 i seek any race results from 1979 80 81 with Gerd reiss in them probably on german mountain race events and any fotos
2 seek any for sale adverts form 1978-79 bmw 320 for sale maybe find fischer selling car
3 any race results in 78 with more info on G Fischer fotos etc
4 zolder 1977 drm race seek fotos of cheever shunt and any gossip of car being sold to G fischer

i find when i go looking for info in my uk autosports i try not to look to hard just casually flick pages i always start thru adverts you will see ads just jump out at you!
race reports the write up may give info on things then read the results do they have "gossip" page with small bits of info like autosport will have story on new car being built or a car sold form 1 guy to next etc? i get lots of info this way

if you find anything can you make list of the info date page number
if any fotos perhaps you can scan the items

Nordic · 16 Sep 2009, 14:54 (Ref:2542069)

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009...aft-76-77.aspx

Saw this and I thought of you!

its on you tube so you may have seen it before.

Frank de Jong · 16 Sep 2009, 17:53 (Ref:2542237)

Never seen it before, thanks!

jjkwoodward · 17 Sep 2009, 08:41 (Ref:2542660)

Hi guys, thought I would share a pic I took at the Australian GT Championship race at Calder in August 1982 of Jim Richards in the Frank Gardner JPS 320. From previous posts (#61 David Towe), I presume this is the car that wound up in the U.S. Haven't seen other pics of this car in the forum.

zakspeed65 · 18 Sep 2009, 07:53 (Ref:2543258)

Hi Nordic,

The video is great, seen some of it but some is new to me. Good to see the BMW and Ford war on, with no let up!!!

**skycafe** · 18 Sep 2009, 23:07 (Ref:2543655)

Well, the video was awesome, and I love the 320 in JPS livery!

malscar · 4 Nov 2009, 08:55 (Ref:2575427)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ian beckett

I think Schnitzer retained one car which raced in Thailand(?) driven br Roberto Ravaglia in'84(?) sponsored by JPS in their black with gold pinstripe colours. I do not know of the whereabouts of either car today(anyone know?) Pictures of the car can be found on the Racingsportscars site and also on Oppitzhausers own website. I hope this helps.Ian.

Hi Ian, do you have any more info on this particular car? I was unaware of any other black JPS 320s other than the three the Frank Gardner team in Aust ran.

ian beckett · 4 Nov 2009, 10:01 (Ref:2575468)

Doing some digging at this moment but I can say that the Ravaglia car was one of two 'lowline' versions which Schnitzer built for the German DRM series.Typically Schnitzer would take cars at the end of each season for the Macau event and would also run them for local drivers in Asia if the money was available in the hope of tempting them to purchase a car.JPS sponsored several BMW's in this area on a locally arranged basis rather than any worldwide agreement.This had no connection at all to the Gardner managed Australian effort.Ian.

driftwood · 4 Nov 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2575479)

Ian any fotos of jps schnitzer livery macau race cars?

ian beckett · 4 Nov 2009, 11:34 (Ref:2575537)

They did not actually race at Macau in JPS colours.Ravaglias drive in '82 was at some as yet unidentified circuit in Asia,perhaps Malaysia.Ian.

driftwood · 4 Nov 2009, 11:48 (Ref:2575553)

yeah re read what you posted but my question still remains the same any pics?

Nordic · 6 Dec 2009, 08:45 (Ref:2594774)

http://s271.photobucket.com/albums/j...WSC/?start=all

In 15 pages this page of photos may have come up before, but in case not,

Silverstone 1978

solo318 · 10 Dec 2009, 12:38 (Ref:2597254)

HI guys, I've been following this thread for some time. I am building a "tribute" car with a early 320, and am looking to get it as close as possible. I have been amazed at the amount of information you have been able to preserve about these cars. I am in need of some basic information.
1. were the doors and hood fiberglass or metal?
2. how wide were the front and rear flares?
3. what was the standard ride height?
4. does anyone have a direct photo from front/back/sides/roof? I can use these to CAD the right dimmensions for the fenders and rear wing.
5. Does anyone have a set of moulds for the flares, Prefer schnitzer but could use works as well?
6. Why did some cars use a four headlight front end and some cars use a two headlight front end? In the U.S. we were only allowed the 4 headlight cars, so I would like to select the appropriate body work.
7. I undertand that the coolers were moved around in the rear wheel tub, Why, is there a timeline or a team breakdown that would affect the placement. I also understood that the early cars had the rad in the rear, and yet the only pics I have found all seem to be the Mclaren cars (IMSA) and appear to have the rad up front. with the charge air cooler ( or is the charge air cooler just that thick).
I have enjoyed this thread greatly, while you have sorted some of the history. I have been fascinated with these cars since childhood, and have building this car for well over a year, I'm finally down to making some body work and cooler placement choices. I hope you can help, Thanks, Steve

driftwood · 10 Dec 2009, 13:29 (Ref:2597279)

1 cars had glass fibre doors boot lid arches etc
2 moulds in Uk for bodywork
3 wheels are wide 15 inch or so at rear so arche sare big
4 rad is up front for engines oil cooler turbo cooler in rear arches turbo intercooler IS that thick!
5 ride height no idea- shell is low in engine bay wheels are 16 or 17 in diametre ive not checked my car its tucked away

solo318 · 10 Dec 2009, 15:23 (Ref:2597339)

Thanks, Would anyone happen to have any contact info for some bodywork, and/or some pricing? Thanks, Steve

driftwood · 10 Dec 2009, 15:39 (Ref:2597341)

you missed the subtle point about bodymoulds!!
i can supply you
when i get around to restoring my car i will be needing new bonnet boot
PM me for yr needs

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