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I can't see Gow going for another night race, or the teams. Even if it did happen, I doubt TOCA would light the track per se, you would need to light the corners so the marshalls could work if there was a car off and you would need to light the paddocks, public areas and car parks. Only place you could hold it would be Snett. |
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I agree with btccbloke, the Le Mans-esque driver changes were great back in the day.
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Especially if you would get a star name in these events
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And who can forget a certain WRC champion throwing it off at the last corner
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The issue with trying to attract F1 drivers [to BTCC] nowadays is how far removed the series is with the routes to/from F1. It would be hard to imagine the likes of Stroll, Verstappen or even Max Chilton seeing BTCC as a step on the way towards a seat in F1. Coming the other way - what appeal does BTCC carry nowadays to tempt a multi-millionaire into the seat? Unless the name was someone from the sharp end of F1 - how much difference would it make to the BTCC profile getting in a 'big name'. Can you imagine any difference to ticket sales, or viewing figures, if someone like Jaime Alguersuari was to make an appearance. I don't even think Jolyon Palmer would make more than a few extra column inches for a round or two. Hoping for big name F1 stars in BTCC is a bit like hoping for full-fledged manufacturer entries - a bygone era that will not return. Better to look at what BTCC can do to the current format to broaden the current audience. A feature race might help, and the recent Diamond Double was probably on the cusp of time that the majority of viewers will watch a race for. If it had been double distance it may not have gone down as well. Driver changes are another thing that I think would be wrong for the current BTCC grid. Each driver is trying to make a name in his own right, and has to bring backing to fund their seat. The situation of Hill/HARD is complex enough, without introducing the issue of another driver potentially hampering his results.: Plato would lose the ability to claim his car was set up worse than Sutton's. Jordan and Tordoff may have to see their backing compromised if they were sharing seat time. The grid may reduce in numbers, as each seat is being split two-ways. At Cicely - who would get the first run? And what would be the impact on the other drivers if the first run saw accident or poor results? Although thinking about it - it should be brought in soon. That way, Neal can drive for the first stint, and keep the car in prime condition. Then Cammish can unleash his full pace, without fear of having to save performance in the tyres/brakes for the later stages! |
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A pipe dream obviously but people are entitled to have them.
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Back then he wasn't Damon Hill, World Champion, or even Damon Hill, F1 driver, he was simply Damon Hill, bob-a-job rent-a-driver. As a great addition to the grid or a someone to draw in crowds, he was a nobody. Who knows, 20 years from now this thread may get resurrected and we can all reminisce on how great it was when some future some world champion was once a Team HARD's driver of the week. Serious point though; the BTCC doesn't need big name F1 drivers. There are plenty of good touring car drivers already in the series, and that's what makes it the success it is. Trying to live off the cachet of another series is just admitting defeat. |
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The reason there will never be a 2 driver race is the cars aren’t designed for it, the cockpit is designed around the driver so the pedals, wheel position and seating position isn’t easily adjustable like sat in a GT car
I very much doubt will we ever see a night race again because of the cost, Mr Gow is there to make money not spend it on a one off race which would be expensive and the tracks certainly wouldn’t pay for it because it wouldn’t make them money either Pits stops may make a return one day but not any time soon the cars wheel nuts aren’t designed for fast style changes and some teams would have to move away from battery guns to fast pit stop style wheel guns |
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BTCC doesn't go to the lengths of building the cockpit around a particular driver either. The pedal boxes and seats are off the shelf items. They don't mould the seat around the driver etc. |
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What costs are involved with doing a night race? Silverstone run the 24H there every year and its a really low budget series...?
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[QUOTE=Racer65;3841020]It's all the same components in there that many series with 2 or more drivers use. The setup isn't adjustable in most shared cars. The drivers just compromise and have their own seat inserts.
BTCC doesn't go to the lengths of building the cockpit around a particular driver either. The pedal boxes and seats are off the shelf items. They don't mould the seat around the driver etc Well in GT cars the steering wheel is adjustable some pedal boxes are adjustable and the seats are on runners so they are very different to a btcc car Well some teams do actually go to the lengths of building there cockpits to each driver because not all drivers are the same size, I’ve seen some cars from the same team have gear levels in different place, seats set different with seat mounded to the driver |
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Perhaps, but not always. So it's definitely possible to have two (or more) driver BTCC races.
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Silverstone has an insane budget compared to the other BTCC circuits. They can afford permanent lighting around the circuit. |
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Also, to light the circuit overnight (which isn't done for the 24 hour race, not even on corners) would almost certainly invoke the wrath of the neighbours. In terms of other costs, the marshals cost nearly 10 times as much overnight |
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The other major problem with a night race is trying to find a circuit that doesn't have a curfew allowing them to run late evening races.
Brands Hatch - firm 18:30 stop to activities Snetterton and Silverstone are the same with the exception of one(?) event per year like the 2CVs. Thruxton, Oulton Park & Croft can't even start until midday on a Sunday so I'd guess they have a 18:00 or 18:30 curfew as well Knockhill - no idea Donington Park seems to be able to run later into the evening so could be a possibility Rockingham has been running late Saturday evening Pickup Truck racing meetings (there's one tomorrow) but they're off the calendar next year. |
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