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my mg race car
i no this isnt quite a works metro turbo but i think you will all like it. it has a lot of history as a racer. enjoy the pictures.
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10 Jun 2010, 06:48 (Ref:2707993) | #203 | ||
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some footage of the mg metro turbo racing
Oulton park BTCC Gold Cup 1984
type this into youtube and see the metro racing at oulton park |
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10 Jun 2010, 10:19 (Ref:2708111) | #204 | ||
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more btcc
found this as well whole race from 1983 with tony pond driving a works metro.
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several pics of MG Metro Grp A cars taken at Oulton, including Tony Pond
scroll down http://www.flickr.com/photos/16788879@N02/ |
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23 Oct 2010, 17:21 (Ref:2778996) | #208 | ||
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Being a half season MG specilist of 1984, I tend to agree with you KA. I think that a Birmingham connection was mentioned earlier, and here it is in splendid view for all.
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21 Dec 2010, 16:43 (Ref:2807040) | #209 | |
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I have just found now this thread. There has been one Metro Turbo GRA in Switzerland for some rallyes. The car looks identical to the circuit racing cars (BBS style center lock wheels etc. ... in rallying!) and had UK numberplates A509LBW. Does anybody now anything about this?
welcome Funkycars i've moved this post to the main section thread for the moment as it will be of more discussion interest in there. cheers chunterer. Last edited by chunterer; 21 Dec 2010 at 18:53. |
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7 Oct 2011, 14:33 (Ref:2967166) | #210 | |
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Here's a bit of the story I don't think I knew before- Metro Turbos in French Supertourisme!
Just been looking on Forum-Auto where there's a fairly long-running thread on 80's Supertourisme pics (I've linked to it several times in the Rover and 635 threads) to see if there was anything new- and found this: http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...2083%20mon.jpg It's obviously one of the 1983-season Metros in Unipart/Daily Express colours- but what's it doing at Montlhery....? A quick look at 1983 Supertourisme results on Frank de Jong's site comes up with the goods, as always... http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lhery%202.html It seems that a pair of Metros made the trip for the final 1983 round at Montlhery, driven by Patrick Watts (#10) and Gerard Spencley (#21). Spencley's name rings a bell as one of the regular French competitors in the European Metro Turbo series- pretty sure I remember seeing him at Silverstone more than once. Neither car seems to have qualified for the race however- Watts was about 1.5 seconds off the back of the grid, and Spenceley about a further two seconds slower. It certainly seems to have been a one-off appearance- I can't see any mention of further Metro appearances in France in 1983/4 Small fwd cars certainly ran in the series though, Jean Ragnotti qualifiying this Renault 5 Alpine Turbo 6th at the same meeting... http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...0mon.jpg1..jpg So what was the story? A unsuccessful one-off outing for publicity, or a toe-in-the-water look to see if a Metro Supertourisme programme was viable? It's at the end of the season, the weekend after the final BTCC round, and a quick search suggests that Spencley won the French Metro series in 1983- could a run in one of the Group A Metros have been part of the prize (although the final round of that series seems to have been at the same meeting) Last edited by KA; 7 Oct 2011 at 14:44. Reason: Couldn't spell Montlhery... |
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Anyone got any more of a clue? Enterprise Racing might have been the team involved.... I ran that reg number through the DVLA database, and it was definitely on an MG, but hasn't been on the road in the UK for a while... Date of Liability 01 02 1987 Date of First Registration 01 02 1984 Year of Manufacture 1984 Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1275cc CO2 Emissions Not Available Fuel Type PETROL Export Marker N Vehicle Status Unlicensed Vehicle Colour WHITE Vehicle Type Approval Not Available Last edited by KA; 7 Oct 2011 at 15:02. |
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Most of the rest of the piece talks about how Spencley had come to the attention of Austin Rover for the drive- apparently he'd appeared a few times in the British Metro Challenge with decent results, despite running his car in less-powerful French series spec The article also seems to suggest that there was some paddock gossip about Austin Rover looking at running a smaller car alongside the Rovers in Supertourisme in the future.... http://www.gtv6-156gta.be/GTV6Produc...toHebdo390.pdf |
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Brilliant find KA, well done for that!
Yes Spencley was one of those guys who ran smart black and dayglo Baral sponsored cars in the euroseries IIRC, current Masters Escort pedaller Claude Boissy might have beeen another? Hey I think it was a bit mean that the little cars got within 7 seconds of the fastest of those beasts and still didn't make the cut?! Must've been a pretty strict qualifying procedure in supertourisme! Last edited by chunterer; 7 Oct 2011 at 21:13. |
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7 Oct 2011, 20:23 (Ref:2967312) | #214 | |
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Yes, it's interesting to wonder what might have happened if Austin Rover had taken a proper look at the Metro for Supertourisme, and whether they'd have been able to develop it enough to close that gap?
Renault certainly managed to get Ragnotti's little 5 Turbo to go pretty quickly under the French rules... |
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Or maybe, just maybe, he was going to be considered for a Metro ETC campaign...... He did pedal a 635 later on IIRC? |
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Looking at the Auto-Hebdo report, apart from the section about the Metros, there's also a little bit of paddock gossip, which talks about some rumours for the 1984 season- Mercedes with a car run by a 'driver-preparer' (sounds like the Snobeck Merc deal!), Peugeot running two 505 Turbos and 'in the same vein, Austin-Rover could field a 'small' model (MG Metro Turbo) alongside a Rover 3500'
Spencley is interviewed briefly and says that some good overseas results- he'd run at the Nurburgring and Silverstone- had led to the Montlhery opportunity, as well as some further Metro Challenge races in Europe |
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On a separate note, the 85 DPM/DTM footage we've been discussing shows a Metro Turbo running in Germany in 1985. Think it's the Massa backed car.
I thought we had only discoved this car running in 1984 earlier in this thread? |
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A pic of Hahne in the Massa Real car http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...alenpokal.html |
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13 Oct 2011, 14:43 (Ref:2970539) | #219 | |
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Incidentally, Massa Real went on to be one of the sponsors on the German Rovers in 1985
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13 Oct 2011, 16:16 (Ref:2970577) | #220 | ||
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Besides starting at the airfield races at Wunstorf, Mainz-Finthen and Erding I have notes that suggests Volker Anhalt and the MG Metro was present at both Zolder races and the Nürburgring. Details are sketchy, but would guess this is information from this very thread!
Also from my notes Roger Dowson did run the Anhalt car in '85, but still not sure how 100 % that is. Who ran the Paul Taft Klaxon Turbo during the 1984 BSCC season? Jesper |
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One thing it does mention, and has a few pics of is a Group A Metro Turbo used by Rover Executive Engineer Brian Cameron in the West Euro Cup rally series in the late 80's- from the pics it was blue/white (split diagonally front/back, a bit like 80's Ford Motorsport stripes, rather than top/bottom as on the BTCC cars) with sponsorship by Tudor Webasto, and was registered XNK148X, rather than the plate Funkycars mentioned. From the logo on the front spoiler, Metro Challenge team Enterprise Racing seem to have been involved with this, and it does look a lot like a Metro Challenge car- it uses the same alloy wheels (rather than the BTCC-style BBS wheels Funkycars described on the Swiss car), and the exhaust outlet appears to be cut into the sill ahead of the LH rear wheel in the same way it was on the Turbo Challenge cars. A quick Google suggests Brian Cameron was involved with 'Project Pride' the endurance speed record bid using the later 'R6' K-series-engined Metro GTi in 1990 or thereabouts http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/2010...project-pride/ Last edited by KA; 1 Nov 2011 at 15:36. |
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Have a look in the acknowledgements in the front KA - David Sims is my good self! Mark kindly gave me a few of the slides and photos that were used in the book as a goodwill gesture to thank me for my assistance. A nice chap!
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1. Engine peak power and at what rpm? I've read 200hp at the flywheel, was this in Group A spec? 2. Engine peak torque and at what rpm? I've heard that these engines suffered from turbo lag. What was the useful rev range? 3. Diff ratios? 4. Gearbox ratios? 5. Weight? According to Group A regs, i believe the min. weight of these cars (sans driver) would have been 880kg. Did they get down to this? 6. Now we get down to obscure stuff, does anyone have an idea what spring ratings or geometry was used? 7. Where the Metro Challenge cars built to Group A spec or Group N or something else? |
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