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Old 18 Mar 2008, 15:25 (Ref:2155677)   #201
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about Bernoldi that's good news, particularly for those which are happy about OWR going well in the US, maybe not for others hangin'around here
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 08:56 (Ref:2156307)   #202
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I don't mean the structure of the car being weak or anything like that. It just seems like these cars like to take off into the air when ever they collide or touch wheels. Going up into the air like they do "Sometimes" mind you not all the time is dangerous for the driver/drivers and the fans.

Andy I don't find their look very appealing but thats just my feelings.
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 10:04 (Ref:2156350)   #203
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Ahh, yes, you mean like David Couthard flying over Wurz or Timo Glock flying over the grass...oops, wait! Wrong series!

Open wheel cars with lots of aero tend to "fly" under the right circumstances and with the speed your average IndyCar is going on ovals this opportunity is enhanced. It does not mean the car itself is unsafe.
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 10:33 (Ref:2156372)   #204
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Exactly, the whole concept of open wheel oval racing is inherently more dangerous than other forms of racing.

But to be fair being on the same circuit as Paul Tracy is pretty risky sometimes too
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 11:06 (Ref:2156389)   #205
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I don't mean the structure of the car being weak or anything like that. It just seems like these cars like to take off into the air when ever they collide or touch wheels. ....
As John rightly points out, it's down on oval racing; the cars must be judged concerning how the driver is after the accident; from this point of view Dallara cars have proved extremely safe.

And about not being that beautiful, it may be true, but since when has someone won for having the prettiest car? Isn't it more important to be fast?
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 11:35 (Ref:2156405)   #206
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The reason why cars have been getting airbourne in the IRL is that they are all using the same engine and as a result theres no speed differential causing them to bunch up.

http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/1013/1637489.html - this outlines it well.
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 12:20 (Ref:2156429)   #207
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about Bernoldi that's good news, particularly for those which are happy about OWR going well in the US, maybe not for others hangin'around here
Good news? - a second rate pay driver taking up a spot that could be filled by a real contender.
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 13:01 (Ref:2156454)   #208
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Hep! An ex CC fan rejecting the pay drivers! That's what I call a surprise!
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The reason why cars have been getting airbourne in the IRL is that they are all using the same engine and as a result theres no speed differential causing them to bunch up.

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I Don't think so; IMHO It's just about a combination of High speed, Hi downforce, and oval tracks.
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 13:57 (Ref:2156498)   #210
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And about not being that beautiful, it may be true, but since when has someone won for having the prettiest car? Isn't it more important to be fast?
In the Australian press Will Power had some choice words to say about the Dallara vs the Panoz DP01. Not that it matters since they wont be going head to head but he was quoted as saying "it will be sad to see the Panoz go as it would drive circles around the Dallara".
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 16:33 (Ref:2156588)   #211
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Hep! An ex CC fan rejecting the pay drivers! That's what I call a surprise!
More of a F1 fan remerbering how bad he was in that series
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Well, here's what the line-up looks like now

NoDriverNatTeam
2AJ Foyt IVUSAVision Racing
3Helio CastronevesBRZPenske Racing
4Vitor MeiraBRZPanther Racing
5Oriol ServiaSPNKV Racing Technology
6Ryan BriscoeAUSPenske Racing
7Danica PatrickUSAAndretti-Green Racing
8Will PowerAUSKV Racing Technology
9Scott DixonNZLChip-Ganassi Racing
10Dan WheldonGBRChip-Ganassi Racing
11Tony KanaanBRZAndretti-Green Racing
14Darren ManningGBRAJ Foyt Racing
15Buddy RiceUSADreyer & Reinbold Racing
17Ryan Hunter-ReayUSARahal-Letterman Racing
18Bruno JunqueriaBRZDale Coyne Racing
19Mario MoraesBRZDale Coyne Racing
20Ed CarpenterUSAVision Racing
23Milka Duno*VENDreyer & Reinbold Racing
24Jay HowardGBRRoth Racing
25Marty RothUSARoth Racing
26Marco AndrettiUSAAndretti-Green Racing
27Hideki MutohJPNAndretti-Green Racing
34Franck PereraFRAConquest Racing
36Enrique BernoldiBRZConquest Racing
?Townsend BellUSADreyer & Reinbold Racing
?Justin WilsonGBRNewman-Haas-Lanigan Racing
?Graham RahalUSANewman-Haas-Lanigan Racing
?Tomas Schecter*RSALuczo Dragon Racing
?Alex Lloyd*GBRChip-Ganassi Racing

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Old 19 Mar 2008, 21:36 (Ref:2156765)   #213
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Wilson & Rahal with 02 and 08, it seems.
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Old 19 Mar 2008, 21:57 (Ref:2156784)   #214
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Good news? - a second rate pay driver taking up a spot that could be filled by a real contender.
You must not know much about Bernoldi then...

He is a very capable driver, so much so that after his F1 stint with Arrows, Honda saw enough in him to hire him as an official test driver - he won't embarass anyone.
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Updated list a bit

NoDriverNatTeamChassisEngineTyres
2AJ Foyt IVUSAVision RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
02Justin WilsonGBRNewman-Haas-Lanigan RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
3Helio CastronevesBRZPenske RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
4Vitor MeiraBRZPanther RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
5Oriol ServiaSPNKV Racing TechnologyDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
6Ryan BriscoeAUSPenske RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
06Graham RahalUSANewman-Haas-Lanigan RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
7Danica PatrickUSAAndretti-Green RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
8Will PowerAUSKV Racing TechnologyDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
9Scott DixonNZLChip-Ganassi RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
10Dan WheldonGBRChip-Ganassi RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
11Tony KanaanBRZAndretti-Green RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
14Darren ManningGBRAJ Foyt RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
15Buddy RiceUSADreyer & Reinbold RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
17Ryan Hunter-ReayUSARahal-Letterman RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
18Bruno JunqueriaBRZDale Coyne RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
19Mario MoraesBRZDale Coyne RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
20Ed CarpenterUSAVision RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
23Milka Duno *VENDreyer & Reinbold RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
23Townsend Bell *USADreyer & Reinbold RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
24Jay HowardGBRRoth RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
25Marty RothUSARoth RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
26Marco AndrettiUSAAndretti-Green RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
27Hideki MutohJPNAndretti-Green RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
34Franck PereraFRAConquest RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
36Enrique BernoldiBRZConquest RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
??Tomas Schecter **RSALuczo Dragon RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone
??Alex Lloyd **GBRChip-Ganassi RacingDallara IR2Honda 3.5 V8Firestone

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It's a good group.
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Old 20 Mar 2008, 07:09 (Ref:2156940)   #217
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More of a F1 fan remerbering how bad he was in that series
Well, if F1 was the only term of comparison to rate a driver, what could you say about Zanardi?
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Bernoldi did overtake Michael Schumacher and hold off Coulthard for half a race, don't forget.

I don't like those NHR numbers - confusing, and kind of emphasises the 'frontrunners in another series' element - what's wrong with 12 and 26, or 28 and 29?
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[QUOTE=BootsOntheSide]Bernoldi did overtake Michael Schumacher and hold off Coulthard for half a race, don't forget. [QUOTE]
Maybe I'm being a little hard on him, but it he's been around a long time now and has said he doesn't like ovals - I just think there are more hungry young drivers available.
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I don't like those NHR numbers - confusing, and kind of emphasises the 'frontrunners in another series' element - what's wrong with 12 and 26, or 28 and 29?
It's kind of like putting a scarlet 'A' on the cars.
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Homestead entry list is up; as expected plus Viso for HVM.
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good to see will power go fast at a sebring test, though the ovals will be a new learning curve again - still think the dallara is an ugly car ...

the driver list does look good - glad dale coyne joined & nhl #'s are poo
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26 cars, nice, i predicted 25-30.
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Is there no chance for more teams to join? Is this is for the CC teams?
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Old 20 Mar 2008, 22:31 (Ref:2157657)   #225
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Not a Canadian in the bunch. Sucks!
Hopefully Forsythe will let PT out of his contract.
Tagliani is also a good driver with oval experience who really should be signed.
26 cars is a good number though. Not a big fan of the current car specs but I can get over it. Unification is good!
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