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I rest (get it?) my case...
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Possibly the point you're missing is that the 'western world' is not top dog any more. F1 has gone worldwide for that reason and glamour still is a factor with the vast majority of the world population. From a global marketing perspective the western world is a minority and some may say is becoming an annoying irrelevance with the amount of PC crap. |
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i do agree with chilli to a point with the capitalism idea. example - a lot of the current wave of body acceptance amongst is motivated by profit. creating a body-positive/fat positive/whatever advert or social media message is a very transparent trend, especially amongst companies who don't need to sell an aspirational product motivated by fashion, weight or any other kind of weird perfection. second to that motivation is that it does help a significant number of people feel more accepted, if not better about themselves and that's an aspirational message in itself. i mean, all of marketing and advertising makes me feel uneasy for all of the above reasons. the easiest way to deal with that is to ignore it completely and view everything at face value. makes you realise how much promotional stuff and advertising is absolutely absurd. fun fact: where i work, the promotional girls the company employs occasionally to advertise the product get paid more than us, the people doing the work. |
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another fun fact: prevalence of promotional girls and preferred "look" is a direct reflection on society, its expectations of women and the qualities it values in us...
the same applies for niche events such as conventions, and exhibitions. |
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Cutting grid girls and promotional models is a restrictive and not empowering process imo. I am sure that F1 management saved a lot of money on the promotion, and can add the savings to their own salaries at the year's end. |
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to be honest, i havent noticed anything, until ive seen this thread here.
so i guess its one those issues that are super significant from a theoretical or philosophycal point of view, but actually are totally unimportant same goes to the motor show in geneve. ive been going there since i was a little kid, noticed zero difference without ladies. didnt make the show any less good, nor did it improve it. ironically, the ONLY company at the whole show, who still sent some hot hostesses without any job, other than sitting on wheels, was the heavily f1 involved pirelli... as they were to only one, and also quite towards the back end, where you finish your day if you started it at pavillion 1...i must admit it did look weird. dare i say i sort of got the point all the other female workers had actual jobs at the shows, often offering insightful chats, even talking about technical features of the cars or upcoming events, professionally hosting VR and simulator experiences, catering food and bevarege...and these pirelli girls were just sitting on tires...so yea, i got the point now still, i feel its about zero dot zero percent important |
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the people who decide what the promotional girls wear do so according to what will appeal most to the people at the event. if putting the girls in bikinis will get their brands featured in loads of photos and seen by loads of people, then that's what they'll do. if choosing petite girls with er, youthful looks and pigtails will get loads of guys creeping all over them then that's what they'll do. |
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I didnt notice their absence but then I didnt see the karting kids either. And that is why it should not have been an issue anyway. It simply demonstrates that people are trying to be "right on" for no good reason.
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I saw the Karting Kids standing in front of the drivers on the start line, just before the national anthem was played.
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The organizers probably need a larger selection of white suits for the kids to wear. There was quite a range of height between them all. Some of the shorter ones were absolutely swimming in their outfits! Richard |
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26 Mar 2018, 17:40 (Ref:3811005) | #215 | ||
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Just one more point. All those complaining that grid girls were being exploited etc. only picked up on it when the decision was made.
It was apparently no problem before and I don't recall any threads questioning the presence of grid girls prior to this one. |
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This is a topic that came up in a local (for me) club years ago and we had a very similar discussion (with similar polarizing camps). I very much then and now have been aware of the issue in other parts of motorsports including F1. I think the issue is sometimes you feel that the bad stuff just will never change, so why even mention it. What I think happened is that the recent decision galvanized positions and triggered discussion that otherwise was left unsaid by many, but not all. This didn't come out of nowhere. Richard |
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Just because it isn't being posted, doesn't mean the opinion is not held. If you'd prefer, I can make a different thread for everything about F1 I don't like. But nobody wants to read that, so I won't bother |
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Whilst I understand your position I'm not sure that silent reproach reflects the apparent hysteria directed at reasonable people who think.the decision.is daft And Richard show me the proof
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i wasn’t aware that we needed to express every opinion we have about absolutely everything to do with the sport on the forum.
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I think "hysteria" may be a little over the top for what has been discussed. If the topic comes up, then, of course, people will voice their opinion. In this very thread, I got told I should "get out more", and then told to "let is go", but only after the poster managed one more personal dig - "ignorance is bliss" for supporting the decision.
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Peter, I think that you are being a little unfair. By virtue of the fact that this thread, which was born out of another thread to become a seperate topic, has reached 15 pages does mean that it resonates with members.
I was one of the first to comment on the other thread about it because the vision of these young ladies doesn't sit well with me, although I must admit that in my younger days I had no problem enjoying the sight of these young ladies. I think the problem is that that my opinions on the world in general have changed as I have got older and, I hope, matured. And on this topic, I have a 17 year old rather attractive granddaughter, and I have to ask myself whether I would be proud to see her parading around the F1 scene, and other motorsport events, in the sorts of costumes that they have been wearing up to now? The answer is a big NO. I wouldn't want her displaying her charms for all to see for the benefit of a lot of old lechers. |
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Did you even read my reply?
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With that being said, I have no doubt this has been discussed here before. But, I don't have the time to do the searching on the forum for you. Even if somehow proven wrong, a lack of evidence here doesn't mean it just appeared recently out of the either. And I am absolutely not going to share here the content of much older conversations on this topic that I had with others just to satisfy you. Richard |
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I seem to remember many years ago doing Type Analysis there's a group who seek the approval of others by wanting to be seen to 'do the right thing'. I was in the opposite corner of the chart! |
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And Richard I was a bit rushed but if someone says something like "I've always disagreed with.. .." then they'd better prove it. Not a dig at you per se but as above its just a bunch of people jumping on a bandwagon. And Liberty knew it would be a good way to disguise the fact that they have no idea how to make the show better. As I said, personally I didnt notice them when they were there but they were part of the DNA of the sport. Next theyll stop the champagne and I bet most folks don't know why champagne is sprayed on the podium anyway. |
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All this would be so much more understandable if these grid girls were forced to do that job.
But they're not, so this whole thing feels to me like it's just basically people making decisions for others because of what they themselves feel, what they think others feel, or even should feel (which is worse), and not at all what these girls actually want to do. A whole lotta hooey, if you ask me. |
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