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In a discussion it is logical that people of all levels of enthusiasm and knowledge will see things in varying ways? I respect your opinion/s but to me you see things in black and white regarding Hamilton's status and worth. I see it differently, doesn't mean I am wrong because I don't follow the perceived wisdom? I am not going to start scoffing at other's views or go crazy seeking contradictions just because someone disagrees with me. |
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Yes it means the same - probably. What the heck does 'equal' mean in this situation anyway? Frankly I tire of my intelligence being questioned by the employment of pedantry. Generally the same car, same strategy and it's up to the drivers to get on and drive it. If the set up and strategy tends to be the one more favoured by a multiple WDC, then somehow I guess they're not going to fiddle around with it too much for his teammate who has had plenty of opportunity to prove his worth. There's a world of difference between that and a number 2 having his chances deliberately limited by his own team. It's how F1 works for the best drivers and it's been that way for a very long time. |
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I don’t see Merc holding back Bottas. Lewis probably makes sure he has the right people around him, but no doubt Merc give both drivers equal opportunities to show what they can do. Valterri just needs to dig deeper, it would be so much better for everyone if he can give Lewis a proper run in the title run
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Driver A is kind on their tyres, and can make them last twice as long for a 10% drop over a predicted lap time. If they stick to the predicted pace, the tyre life is 25 laps. Driver B is capable of going 10% quicker than the predicted lap time and still getting 25 laps out of the tyres, but to make them last 50 laps, he needs to lap slower than 10% less. Stick both drivers on a one stop strategy with hard tyres, Driver A is favoured. Stick both drivers on a two stop with softer tyres, Driver B is favoured. Same tyres, same strategy, but not equal. |
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That doesn't appear to have been the case at Mercedes for some time. In fact i'm fairly sure there have been recent examples of when a driver who has requested a change and (actually needed it, let alone trying to pull a fast one on a teammate) has lost positions, let alone gained any. History shows many examples of drivers being put on alternate (nee sub-optimal) strategies in the apparent aim of creating the best outcome for the team when it clearly is only the best for one driver. Why would they do that if they were not clearly favouring one driver? |
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Think Lewis is damned either way. People complain when they are on equal strategies, but if they put Bottas on an alternative strategy, people would still complain and say they were favouring Hamilton. |
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Because Hamilton would still probably come out on top....
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Most of the time he does, and would. But I think a lot of people would back off hassling Hamilton of the team didn't try and keep denying he was a contracted number one with priorities.
Allowing the drivers to make a change that suits them this season and by that I mean both of them so that they can achieve their best result possible (which after all benefits the team!) would go a long way. |
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He’s never had that in his career against alonso, button, rosberg so what evidence do you have to back up your assertion? Last edited by ascarracinguk; 30 Jan 2021 at 16:34. |
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Of the 3 names you mention, only Button did not fall out with Hamilton spectacularly, and even then at times it got tetchy. I am sure this is why Hamilton doesn't fancy open season with a teammate within the team anymore. |
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I’m not the one making accusations....it’s up to you to prove he’s a contracted number 1....il wait....
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I thought opinions were just that. You may disagree and you may come up with an alternative but demanding someone proves their opinion seems somewhat "Perry Mason".
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Chunterer didn’t say it was his opinion though. He said Lewis was contracted number 1 with priorities....Im just asking for proof. If he’s so sure, it should be easy.
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It was an assertion, nobody was "accused" of anything. Relax, take a chill pill and rebuff the post with a robust theory.
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There is no proof. He is the de facto #1 - because he's made himself so. He knows it. Mercedes know it. Bottas knows it. Everyone else knows it. Whether it was in his contract - or if he wants it in a new one - we don't know and probably won't until either he or Toto write their memoirs.....
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Lol I’m perfectly chilled....and I’ve not said anyone was accused of anything. It would just be nice that if someone is so sure of something that they could back it up. In an age where fake news and BS is passed off as fact, some sort of substance would be nice when making an assertion
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Re Imola and Mugello I was referring to Russell in the Williams and the mistakes he made under pressure when finally in a points scoring position.I can see how hot you are for Russell but on most of the evidence of the past 2 years I would take Lando Norris ahead of him if you want the Young Brit thing. |
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