Brabham BT36 - Page 9

allenbrown · 18 Oct 2006, 14:00 (Ref:1741203)

And while I'm at it:

BT36-5
1971 F.I.R.S.T. for Peter Westbury for F2
1972 (early season) Peter Westbury for F2
1972-74 Nick Koob (Luxembourg) for French, Belgian and Luxembourg hill climbs
1975-76 not known
1977 presumably the car of Michel Salvi in French hill climbs
Nothing further ‘till
1990 Paris ?
1992 John Harper
1993 John Beasley
1999 Abba Kogan

I completely forgot to mention this to Harps when I bumped into him at Donington. Ted - do have his email address?

We've had a volunteer to write to Nick Koob too.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 18 Oct 2006, 15:30 (Ref:1741282)

Allen

Howlings appears in a BT36 at Croft in March 72, called 'ex Schenken'. Tate buys BT36-1 for Malcolm Wayne when the Taydec isn't ready in time. Chassis no noted on Wayne's car by AF at Oulton 18.3.72 [I think a week later than Howlings at Croft]; also used by Hill in F2.

Chris

allenbrown · 18 Oct 2006, 16:15 (Ref:1741343)

That's useful. I didn't realise BT36-1 was bought for Atlantic; I'd assumed it was bought for F2. So it's Rondel/Schenken - Howlings - Tate/Wayne - Moore?

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 18 Oct 2006, 23:14 (Ref:1741688)

1972 A/S Feb.24th p.4 All 3 Rondel cars for sale
1972 A/S March 16th p.43 Howlings retires at Croft with a puncture
1972 March 18th, Oulton, Malcom Wayne -C.T. !!
1972 April 3rd, Thruxton, Graham Hill, d.n.f
1972 April 16th, Hockenheim, Graham Hill, n.c.
1972 A/S April 27th p.65, Tate of Leeds wish to sell their BT36

then I have a suggestion that Howlings was involved again, but no ref.
It then looks like John Tait from '76 to '77.

Allen my understanding is that the car was leased by Hill from Tait, (so said Neil Trundle).
I have a photo of the car at the Hockenheim race (from a TNF member) and Twinny posted a very interesting photo on TNF, Thread 89592, page 2, post 77, Twinny & Chris reckon it was Mallory but who?
http://forums.autosport.com/showthre...=&pagenumber=2

It seems that in the space of two months the car and three colour schemes. What was Howlings doing in the car at Croft if it was owned by Tate or did he lease it too?

Allen, I must have been sleeping in class again (already been sprung on the BT30 thread by John, still I was in good company), but where did Arthur Moore in '73 come from?

Andrew Fellowes · 18 Oct 2006, 23:31 (Ref:1741701)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

It seems that in the space of two months the car and three colour schemes.

It seem that in the space of two months the car had three colour schemes.

Arrrgh!

allenbrown · 19 Oct 2006, 07:43 (Ref:1741850)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

Allen, I must have been sleeping in class again (already been sprung on the BT30 thread by John, still I was in good company), but where did Arthur Moore in '73 come from?

Do you mean what part of England did he come from? - in which case I have no idea - or do you mean where did our knowledge of Arthur Moore owning BT36-1 come from? - in which case it was David way back at post #4. The bit about him racing it and crashing it in May 1972 is new.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 19 Oct 2006, 08:50 (Ref:1741904)

The 16 March 72 is the Thursday report of the Croft meeting on the 12th, so it's just about feasible. I think Meek was at Croft shaking down the Tate 712M, so they could have bought the car after the meeting.

The photo Twinny published was of the car in Tate of Leeds colours.

We need to keep spelling consistent on this car or we [I!] will get confused.
Tate of Leeds and the John Tait who owned the car and raced it in G8 are not related in anyway, right? Hill has to lease the car from Tate, not Tait...

BTW when raced in G8 I remember this car as a rather muddy orange, and still hope to find a pic of it from Thruxton in 1977.

Chris

Andrew Fellowes · 19 Oct 2006, 21:24 (Ref:1742463)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Tate of Leeds and the John Tait who owned the car and raced it in G8 are not related in anyway, right? Hill has to lease the car from Tate, not Tait...

BTW when raced in G8 I remember this car as a rather muddy orange, and still hope to find a pic of it from Thruxton in 1977.

Chris

Thanks Chris sounds a bit like the colour when Hill had it in '72 when he leased it from Tate. -agreed on spelling, sorry! Was John Tait an airline pilot? I have tried several Pilot Associations without any luck!

Chris Townsend · 20 Oct 2006, 08:23 (Ref:1742808)

I think that Tait raced saloons either side of the Brabham, but that's from an increasingly hazy memory. I don't know what he did for a living, I'm afraid.

Chris

Andrew Fellowes · 28 Oct 2006, 22:05 (Ref:1752264)

Allen has generously asked me to post a link to his new BT36 page. From a tiny optimistic request by me 3 years ago, and subsequently the all the information provided by you guys, it's there on Oldracingcars.com.
Thanks Allen.

There are many gaps, but we'll fill a few more yet. The next task is to gather together a few photos!

http://www.oldracingcars.info/marques/brabham/bt36

Andrew

**John Turner** · 29 Oct 2006, 10:10 (Ref:1752534)

Allen, Andrew; an excellent result. Let's try and fill those gaps!

allenbrown · 29 Oct 2006, 11:12 (Ref:1752572)

Just to explain this new avenue on OldRacingCars.com, I am experimenting with software that allows contributors such as Andrew to maintain pages themselves, instead of having to email amendments to me. For technical issues that I won't bore you with, I'm using OldRacingCars.info for this rather than OldRacingCars.com but I intend to reintegrate them at a later date.

10 Tenths is an excellent forum and has allowed us to collect and discuss a huge amount of information about many marques and models. As I discovered a while ago on the Lola T280 thread, the forum discussion needs to be supported with a summary page which can be easily edited, managed and kept up to date. OldRacingCars.com has always published model histories but defers to 10 Tenths for discussions and I am hoping that this new avenue will allow us to continue the wonderfully symbiotic relationship that has developed between the two sites.

In the commercial world, competition is key. In the more sedate and gentlemanly world of motor racing history, cooperation is a far better strategy.

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 10 Nov 2006, 01:31 (Ref:1762229)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

I think that Tait raced saloons either side of the Brabham, but that's from an increasingly hazy memory. I don't know what he did for a living, I'm afraid. Chris

Apparently John Tait suffered a fatal heart attack a few years ago, far too young.

Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 17 Nov 2006, 01:51 (Ref:1768191)

At the Silverstone Classic I went and bought M/N for 72 & 73, the steam ship arrived two days ago, hence my barrage of posts today!

M/N 1973 June 9th p.31 Croft, Arthur Moore snapped gear linkage in his ex Howlings Rondel BT36

M/N 1973 June 21st p.7 Croft, Arthur Moore in his red BT36

Andrew Fellowes · 17 Nov 2006, 21:25 (Ref:1768831)

M/N 1973 July 26 p.5 report lists Ian McLaren, Ronnie Mackay and Bob Leckie all in BT36s.

Ian would be #10 and Bob is #8. The photo shows #10 with a wide nose with Ronnie behind with standard nose. I guess in fact he is in a BT35, (as supported by David's post on the BT35 thread) the rear wing is 35-6 type but the fuel tanks are hard to see.

I am not sure where this is, I failed to write it down last night & now I am in at work, but I think one corner was 'Caravan' ?

allenbrown · 17 Nov 2006, 23:46 (Ref:1768897)

That would be this race.

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 6 Dec 2006, 22:29 (Ref:1783658)

BT36-12
1972 Noritake Takahara for Japanese F2
1973 Noritake Takahara for Tasman and Japanese F2
1975 Shigeaki Asaoka
1977 Kiyoshi Misaki
1978-1985 Mr Tomita
1986-1997 Shigeaki Koshiba
1997-2006 Hashime Tanaka
2006 Tom Smith (CA, USA)

Now for a bit of gossip so far unconfirmed but BT36-5 may have an identical twin, more to come.

Andrew Fellowes · 7 Dec 2006, 06:37 (Ref:1783804)

Hope no one minds me posting this here, its the burst water main incident at C P.

Hannelore Werner, Graham Hill, and Peter Westbury.

Copyright Steve Jupp

allenbrown · 7 Dec 2006, 09:24 (Ref:1783885)

Nice one Andrew. Shigeki Asaoka drove a BT36 in Japanese F2 in 1975 and Kiyoshi Misaki in 1976 and 1977. The puzzle that remains is the 1974 season when both Yoshimasa Kawaguchi and Tomohiko Tsutsumi drive a BT36 at the JAF Grand Prix on 3 Nov. One of these would probably be the ex-Bellco Racing mystery car but what is the other if it's not the Takahara car?

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 18 Jan 2007, 22:14 (Ref:1818851)

I now have 100% cast iron proof that the car Moser pranged at Imola was, as the papers reported, the new BT36.

I have been working on finding photos for nearly a year and I now have 8 b&w of the accident, they are of course copyright and not only that, I am still recovering from the assault on my wallet so you ‘aint going to see them posted here.

The off side wheels and suspension have been torn off and the nose is missing but otherwise it looks remarkably intact. The near side rear may wheel may be damaged and a wheel, or perhaps just the tyre itself rests against the wall by the side of the track.

I would be surprised if the chassis needed replacement, but it does mean that if there was as Beat says, a second chassis, it would be a second BT36.

In my view this goes a very long way to providing proof that BT30-17 was not written off.

Andrew Fellowes · 19 Jan 2007, 02:56 (Ref:1819018)

Powerslide Februar 1974 p.42

Brabham BT36 2000ccm
ALU-Motor, 265PS, DM 19 500-
Inkl, Reifen, Felgen und Ersatzelle zu verkaufen.

Roland Binder, 73 Esslingen
Fritz-Muller-Strasse 117
Telefon (0711) 31 17 23

Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 19 Jan 2007, 04:32 (Ref:1819044)

Ok, last two before I go completely cross eyed, (left my gig lamps at home)

Powerslide Januar 1973 p.41

Brabham BT36

Motor BDA, 1850 ccm, 258 PS, DM 35 000.-
Ford-Motor FVA
1600ccm, DM 7500.-zu verkaufen.

Autohaus Herold
D-73 Esslingen, Fritz-Muller-Str.117
Telefon 0711/31 17 23

----------------------------------------

Powerslide Dezember 1973
Racing-Motor-Service verkauft

Lola T 212
Brabham BT18
Brabham BT21
Brabham BT30 F2
Brabham BT36 F3 mit 1600-F3-Holbay-Motor
Sportwagen Lotus Gr. 7
NSU Gr. 2
ex Fink.

Opel Blitz Rennwagentransporter
komplett eingerichtet, revidiert.

Telefon 071 72 23 97

allenbrown · 19 Jan 2007, 09:10 (Ref:1819153)

Brabham BT36 F3 mit 1600-F3-Holbay-Motor

F3! Never thought of looking in F3 for BT36s.

Andrew Fellowes · 20 Jan 2007, 22:38 (Ref:1820563)

exactly Allen but here is another, in Germany. Powerslide April 1973

Brabham BT36
Baujahr 71, nur 4 Rennen
fur F2 und F3
02501/2373

how does one do an umlaut in M/S Word? -fur looks wrong otherwise.

Chris Townsend · 21 Jan 2007, 12:25 (Ref:1820876)

A BT36 as lightly raced as that last one [only 4 races] sounds to me like BT36-4 the Eifelland Stommelen car, but it surely can't be because that went to Roland Binder and you have that for sale in the previous ads in both 73 and 74 [the phone number is the same in both even though only one says it's Binder]

Terbeck's BT36-3 only does about four races, and how many does our favorite Swiss based BT36 [11] do in 1971, as it doesn't seem to do any in 1972?

Chris

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