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Would it work if Audi or Peugeot produced say a 3.4L FSI petrol engine solely for privateers sold at a price relative to the current privateer engines?
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DI won't give you extra 200Nm of torque. IMO, the current gap between the works cars and the petrols is made of:
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The advantage goes beyond the cars themselves and the rules (and that is debatable). Just look at the drivers. We see all-star drivers running lap times quite a bit off their teammates within the same team. It's hard to explain the gaps, but the factory teams are probably pushing so hard that small differences in driving style vs. the preferred setup can lead to pretty sizable gaps. Even then, the factory teams have so many drivers that they can match the drivers by styles and such. Then there is the testing and simulation packages. If Audi and Peugeot entered a wheelbarrow race at the local fair, they'd probably spend millions doing their homework on the best ways to get the job done. Theoretical advantage with the rules or not, the biggest advantage Audi and Peugeot has is money and time. |
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Sure. Driver and team ability do play a big role of course. My point is that at the moment the diesels can afford to have major f*** ups, breakdowns and all the rest, and still be ahead of every petrol car, even when the privateers with good pro drivers have had a perfect day. This is nonsense of galactic proportions and giving those privateers some FSI engines won't even come close to fixing that, it will be negligible in the grand scheme of things. Last edited by Pandamasque; 2 Nov 2011 at 05:07. |
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Anyway, the diesel haters should not be looking at the equivalence rules. The visible smoke/filters rule is where they should focus their attention. I have a feeling we may see this become more of an issue in the future as the diesel teams have been forced to push things further. |
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Why have a rule that says , no visable smoke , and not enforce it at all . Why not get rid of the rule . Its just a joke .
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But, yeah, the cars sometimes look like Pig-Pen from the Charlie Brown cartoons. At least it does on TV. |
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But the visible smoke is so obvious, and since there's a line in the ACO rulebook about it, I'm surprised that no-one has said anything. |
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The ACO is known for arranging things for manufacturers etc, but they're not fools. I'm sure there must be some reason behind the lack of punishment for the smoke rule. IIRC in the early days of the R10 TDI and 908 HDI, the rule was respected, and people complained the cars were sanitised with no sound / smoke.
First time I remember a diesel spitting dark smoke was the "laboratory 908" engaged in the 2008 Sebring race. (but I think the rule was not enforced by IMSA so it was legal) . Then 2008 passed and came the heavy rule tweaks, with restrictors and boost reductions etc, and from then the Audis and Pugs were smoking a lot with no sanctions. So I'm inclined to think there must have been a sort of derogation toward that smoke rule because certainly the two diesel manufs complained that smaller air restrictors forced them to run richer mix, and that was not working together with the smoking deal, or something like that... |
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Im not complaining about the smoke , just the rule that says no visable smoke . While the ACO are consistant about other rules , but not about this . Change the rule then . Its really quite simple , and it doesnt look green friendly , does it . |
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TDI's.. not so much at least in the version we get here. Just some perspective from a VW/Audi owner. |
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It's a little daft that they love to call teams in over broken louvres or missing cheese wedges and not this, and they should be encouraging diesel technology to be as clean as possible, but they also need to preserve the racing entertainment and judging from the penalties levied for the former two we don't need another thing for them to call at inopportune moments... |
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@CMK , well change the rule that says "No visable smoke" then . As I said before , its really quite simple .
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They're used to peering up things with a torch, so perhaps they could check for DPF being fitted???
Most diesels will smoke when provoked. My Golf 1.9TDI does. The thing is, Diesel Particulate Filters are fitted to STOP visible smoke. So somebody isn't playing by the rules, surely? Especially as diesels now make SOME noise... Added together, makes you wonder. |
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Look how would be a private R18, fabulous job
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Definitely some talented photoshoppers out there. I'd love Audi to be a bit more 'out there' with their works liveries. Or for Pug to change just one of their cars. Obviously asking too much.
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